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| Thread ID: 84034 | 2007-10-22 02:12:00 | Should 'cheese-cutter' barriers be banned? | legod (4626) | PC World Chat |
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| 604059 | 2007-11-04 07:37:00 | The ironic thing is that they WERE originally installed because they were cheaper and quicker to install than concrete barriers but now, travelling on the Northern Motorway past all the bus lane building, the TEMPORARY barriers for the roadworks (to protect the construction workers) are concrete barriers!!!! :groan: :groan: :groan: | johcar (6283) | ||
| 604060 | 2007-11-24 09:15:00 | Latecomer to this thread but as a motorcyclist, a participant on the awareness ride to the Auckland Domain, a long time member of Press F1 and a member of Kiwibiker, I am not surprised at the comments towards bikes and bikers, however all we are looking for is a way to make things safer for us should we impact these barriers. It's irrelevant if we are going fast, slow, pushed into the barriers by inattentive car drivers, our machine fails or we lose control of our own means. The fact is they are dangerous in their current configuration. Matt |
Jester (13) | ||
| 604061 | 2007-11-24 10:48:00 | and they don't work (www.imagef1.net.nz) for anything other than a standard car in standard test situations when constructed to the manufacturers standards... i think that's pretty important (and yes that pic is of an older model ford falcon, so not an uncommon car) |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 604062 | 2007-11-24 22:10:00 | barries are not there to stop you from dieing if you crash, they are there to stop you hitting other traffic and killing other people. | tweak'e (69) | ||
| 604063 | 2007-11-24 22:20:00 | barries are not there to stop you from dieing if you crash, they are there to stop you hitting other traffic and killing other people. ah, I see, so those ones along the coast are to protect ships, And the ones on the roadside just out of Wanganui are to protect the sheep....or maybe the grass? I suppose its a bonus that the barrier kills people as well, Punish them for crashing a i suppose. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 604064 | 2007-11-24 22:49:00 | barries are not there to stop you from dieing if you crash, they are there to stop you hitting other traffic and killing other people. You have hit the nail on the head Tweak'e. That's exactly why we want this issue out there. Why should the barrier that is supposed to prevent fatalities be designed that it will most likely kill a section of the motoring public (ie bike riders) in the process? Why make something safe for some but not all? |
Jester (13) | ||
| 604065 | 2007-11-24 23:07:00 | Why make something safe for some but not all? cost :( we have roads around here that transit have a "don't fix untill someone dies" policy on them. a few dead from barries is nothing in the overall scheme of things. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
| 604066 | 2007-11-24 23:27:00 | barries are not there to stop you from dieing if you crash, they are there to stop you hitting other traffic and killing other people. wait, so if you or a loved one gets killed by these you'll be glad they didn't hit oncoming traffic? and what about the truck that only 2 days after the biker being cut in half, went through the same stretch of the southern into oncoming traffic where it hit two cars? heavy and low profile vehicles aren't stopped. bikers are killed. car drivers can be killed too the barrier doesn't work for a large portion of the vehicles on the road, whereas concrete did everything then i should again point out that wire needs 3m to stop cars, so in many places it will infact not prevent a head on because LTNZ ignored this, and in some situations one could argue it increases the chances of one. then there's the shocking distance between anchors that LTNZ is doing too. the only reason they're there is because they're cheaper. pure and simple. they take more room, do half the job, but cost 10% of what concrete costs. i bet if the put a plastic shield and an extra wire half way down the uprights they would still have a cheap barrier that now would only allow heavy trucks to pass through it |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 604067 | 2007-11-24 23:35:00 | cost :( we have roads around here that transit have a "don't fix untill someone dies" policy on them. a few dead from barries is nothing in the overall scheme of things. sometime i think if LTNZ was to be held financially responsible where they can be found to be the cause of a death/accident the roads would be a fair bit cleaner. there's a road by my place with grass growing in the cracks, and whenever the road slips a bit they just fill the cracks with more tar! this is a busy and windy road and at night you can't see the state of it till you're bouncing across into the oncoming lane! (road's at 4 different altitudes on one corner) then there's the unnecessarily off camber corners, barriers where they aren't needed, no barriers where they are needed, misleading signage (45s you can do at ninety but the one in a thousand that is actually a real 35) and blind intersections on hilltops / blind roundabouts due to the garden/forest in the middle edit: and the classic corners with no signage at all (www.imagef1.net.nz) (and i wasn't speeding or even near the limit either) |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 604068 | 2007-11-25 00:02:00 | wait, so if you or a loved one gets killed by these you'll be glad they didn't hit oncoming traffic? yes. one thing for them to die, even worse if they killed someone else as well. the only reason they're there is because they're cheaper. pure and simple. thats transit for ya, do a band aid job instead of doing it properly. really annoying that we have state highways that are crap and loads of traffic on them, but go down south where theres no traffic the roads are built like motorways. we have corners which has the camber back woulds (it actually slopes into the hill, which then fills up with water when it rains.) we have sections of the road which are several feet thick of tar as it keeps sinking because when they built it they trucked in loads of clay, which of course slides down the hill every winter. these are the same guys that makes passing lanes the end going into a tight blind corner, puts lights in an major intersection but only puts half the lights in, doesn't fix holes in the road cause they are "off the driving line" despite the holes being where everyone drives (the holes now force traffic to crowd the centre line on a corner where oncoming traffic is also crowding the centreline!), put seal on the corner thats not wide enough so if take the best line around the corner you actually drop off the new tarseal and if you follow the white lines it puts you into the corner at the wrong angle despite there being plenty of room. plenty of bald patches they don't seal untill someone dies :( sorry to say but i think cheese cutter barriers are fairly low on the priority list. try not to hit them. transit follows a different driving book than everyone else in the country, so please be carefull out there. |
tweak'e (69) | ||
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