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Thread ID: 84034	2007-10-22 02:12:00	Should 'cheese-cutter' barriers be banned?	legod (4626)	PC World Chat

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604039	2007-10-23 01:55:00	Any pilots here? Engine failing or practicising engine off landings you wish all those fences power/ telephone wires that bisect every possible emergency landing feild into a postage stamp were not there. Wires across paddocks and fences across feilds should be banned as well. mig29	Ho Chi Minh (11121)
604040	2007-10-23 05:48:00	Probably but remember these barriers haven't been around for that long. Why not concrete if there's the space.Depends on your definition of 'long'. I was a motorcycle courier in Auckland in the late 80's-early 90's (London before that for a couple of years). These nasty wire barriers were being erected in the early 90's in Auckland I seem to recall. I wasn't happy with them then and I'm still not - but the reason given then was that they were far cheaper per kilometre to install than the concrete barriers. Yes, it sounds like this guy who was chopped in half was pushing the limits (the speed one, as well as his own ability), but I saw a percentage figure somewhere in the news today that a large percentage of motorcyclists (who someone else here pointed out pay far larger ACC levies when registering/licensing their pride and joy) lose limbs when colliding with these so-called safety barriers at any speed greater than 70km/h. FWIW - I don't ride anymore. Too many tickets, too much traffic, too easy for idiots to get a licence to -kill- - sorry, drive, bad example for my son, impractical to go skiing on, impractical to transport the family etc...	johcar (6283)
604041	2007-10-23 17:57:00	posted 2 hours ago on the NZ Herald website: www.nzherald.co.nz Encasing the wires in plastic to dissipate their cutting force as done in European countries would also help. A European study found 80 per cent of motorcyclists who hit wire barriers at more than 70km/h lost limbs, Mr Mason said.	Morpheus1 (186)
604042	2007-10-24 10:11:00	No, the cheese cutters should stay, any motorcyclists that have a problem with that should try and ride to the laws of the highway period...... f--k off talking to the guys he was riding with his bike failed under him (chassis broke!). it was a straight bit of road and no need for a wire but for the cost of it! had it been concrete he would have slid along and come to much less harm. i have seen for myself guys coming off at over 100kph and walk away. if you don't hit anything and have all the gear on it's not that bad. these barriers in their current state are an unacceptable risk and motorcycling groups nationwide have been opposing them since their introduction. the only knee jerk reaction here is the media. it is such a shame a 21 year old out with his mates was killed as a result of this barrier which should never be there. 80 per cent of motorcyclists who hit wire barriers at more than 70km/h lose limbs acc says 75% of all motorcycle crashes are due to another driver so how about all those cagers out there learn to use their mirrors? those barriers are banned all over europe, in france they are being phased out, and where they have to stay they are being given a plastic cover to protect bikers. furthermore, the barriers need 3 metres either side to prevent a head on collision. LTNZ is ignoring the manurfacturer specifications in using them where concrete would actually take up less space. www.youtube.com www.youtube.com www.youtube.com as you can see the barriers are much better for car drivers as they lessen teh forces on the occupants, but they will not prevent an head on accident on a narrow road. Now i'm not saying that the barriers should be banned, but i'm sure it wouldn't be too difficult to put a plastic cover on it. it would still stop cars safely and not kill bikers. problem solved - now who the f*** over at LTNZ authourised the use of these barriers without considering overseas information and that maybe a simple and cheap plastic guard would prevent biker injury.	motorbyclist (188)
604043	2007-10-24 10:13:00	and why do they put them on the left side of the motorway now too? where there was a big grass area to slow down biker will now be killed and cars flung back into traffic	motorbyclist (188)
604044	2007-10-25 11:15:00	hehe, funny how the pro-"putting lethal barriers on road" stopped arguing once some facts were thrown at them	motorbyclist (188)
604045	2007-10-25 17:24:00	f--k off talking to the guys he was riding with his bike failed under him (chassis broke!). it was a straight bit of road and no need for a wire but for the cost of it! had it been concrete he would have slid along and come to much less harm. IF thats the case, who ever issued the last WOF has some explaining to do. His death was no longer caused by the barrier, but by an unsafe bike	plod (107)
604046	2007-10-25 17:31:00	But still with speed as a contributing factor....	johcar (6283)
604047	2007-10-25 17:51:00	IF thats the case, who ever issued the last WOF has some explaining to do. His death was no longer caused by the barrier, but by an unsafe bike Hmmm, not sure that a WOF includes a metallurgical study of the bike frame, plod.	Deane F (8204)
604048	2007-10-25 23:17:00	apparently it's a known problem with that model of bike his speed is yet to be confirmed, but yes he was probably speeding on a wide, easy part of motorway at whatever time it was, on bike capable of doing over 240 the police are going to give their report and then the family wants an independant engineer to examine the bike so instead of speculation i suppose we should wait for the police report	motorbyclist (188)
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