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772948	2009-05-12 04:12:00	Well I thought I was winning but have ground to a halt and can’t work out just what is going on. I started by downloading Avidemux and all went well until I got a pop-up saying it had noticed H.264 B type coding and the sound and Video would be out of Sync. So it proved, so that ended that. I then downloaded VirtualDub and all appeared excellent until I went to save my Edited Version. It got about halfway through and up came a pop-up “Out of HDD space! Ok, the original Video Clip is only 838 megs and there is 40gig of HDD space available so I can’t work out just what is going on. Given that what was left after editing would be scratching to be 500 megs, why is it needing over 40gig of HDD space? :help::thanks	B.M. (505)
772949	2009-05-12 04:29:00	Digital Video takes up a lot of space. Original, Editing, Burning. Most software has 2 or 3 copies in a cache file of what your editing that sure helps use up hdd space.	Bantu (52)
772950	2009-05-12 05:23:00	Digital Video takes up a lot of space. Original, Editing, Burning. Most software has 2 or 3 copies in a cache file of what your editing that sure helps use up hdd space. Yes, but in this case we're talking 80+ times the original. :eek:	B.M. (505)
772951	2009-05-12 06:56:00	When using virtual dub, what were you saving it as? If it was saved as raw uncompressed frames, it would take several 10's of gb.	utopian201 (6245)
772952	2009-05-12 21:08:00	When using virtual dub, what were you saving it as? If it was saved as raw uncompressed frames, it would take several 10's of gb. Maybe that was the problem? I’ll try again, it ain’t going to beat me. :) Anyway, another update. I went to Windows Movie Maker and all went swimmingly well. The editing worked, the Video and Sound were in sync, and the quality of video was awful. :crying Mind you, in this case the whole file was only 69k. :confused: There just has to be a better way. :rolleyes:	B.M. (505)
772953	2009-05-12 23:34:00	What codec do you want the final video in? You can use virtual dub to do the cutting, then save directly to xvid+mp3. If you want to convert to h.264 (the best video compression method by far), I think you'd be best to save the edited file as raw images. Then use megui to convert the raw sound and images to h.264 and aac (which are the new 'equivalents' of xvid and mp3 :D). Or you could increase the bitrate in windows movie maker.	utopian201 (6245)
772954	2009-05-13 02:17:00	What codec do you want the final video in? You can use virtual dub to do the cutting, then save directly to xvid+mp3. If you want to convert to h.264 (the best video compression method by far), I think you'd be best to save the edited file as raw images. Then use megui to convert the raw sound and images to h.264 and aac (which are the new 'equivalents' of xvid and mp3 :D). Or you could increase the bitrate in windows movie maker. Ultimately, after the editing, I want to be able to burn it back to a DVD in whatever format most DVD Players can understand. What would you recommend? Obviously it is already on a DVD and we can’t fit the 60 GB file that VirtualDub is trying to manufacture on one DVD so there is a problem there to start with. Here’s where we’re up to for those following the saga: :D Using Explore the initial DVD has one Folder on it called VIDEO_TS Within that Folder there are 10 files: VIDEO_TS.BUP 12.0 KB VIDEO_TS.IFO 12.0 KB VIDEO_TS.VOB 108 KB VTS_01_0.BUP 52.0 KB VTS_01_0.IFO 52.0 KB VTS_01_1VOB 0.99 GB VTS_01_2.VOB 0.99 GB VTS_01_3.VOB 0,99 GB VTS_01_4.VOB 0.99 GB VTS_01_5.VOB 9.62 MB Ok, these have now been converted and saved by “Handbrake” to an .AVI file of 838 MB So far so good, but the .AVI file I now have still contains Adds and a Weather Forecast. Avidemux, spat the Dummy and said it couldn’t handle H.264 B type files and keep the Sound & Video in sync. I tried it to see and it couldn’t. VirtualDub was going OK until it needed 69 GB of HDD to convert and save a 500 MB file. :eek: As I’ve only got 40 GB spare that ended that. Windows Movie Maker did fine but the resultant file was only 71 KB and the Video Quality accordingly awful. :rolleyes: I’ve just tried VideoReDo but it tells me it doesn’t handle .AVI files yet. OK, it’s been suggested that I should up the Video bit rate on Windows Movie Make but I can’t for the life of me find where it is adjustable. Those of you who suggested that it was easier to fast forward through the adds have obviously been down this road. :lol:	B.M. (505)
772955	2009-05-13 05:09:00	ok, i thought they in the disc as a single file. You should try to avoid unnecessary conversion at all costs; each time you convert, you lose a little quality, like saving a jpg over and over again. Assuming the vobs are mpeg 2 (you can check using media player classic to open the vob file and go to file properties), I would do the following: 1. Download virtual dub mpeg2 (its a modification of vdub that lets it modify mpeg, wmv, asf among others) 2. Use that to cut out the unwanted sections 3. Importantly, save the avi, but under video and audio options, choose direct stream copy. This ensures you aren't reencoding thus losing quality. Do this for each vob, saving each as an individual avi. 4. Once you have cut out the unwanted parts in each vob, join them using virtualdub (using append avi segment I think). Just append them one after the other in the order you want them to be joined. 5. Again, choose direct stream copy and then save as avi and you're done! This will leave you with quite a large file (but less than the originals combined because you cut out parts), but will be in mpeg 2 - all dvd players will recognise this. If you want a smaller file, for step 5, choose xvid and mp3 as the codecs (you'll need to choose full processing mode instead of direct stream copy) and select the codec under compression. Older dvd players don't recognise xvid though, but most newer ones do. Virtual dub can work well with xvid/mp3. If you want maximum quality for smallest file size (ie better than xvid for same file size or same quality as xvid for smaller file size) then use x264 as the codec. In which case, after step 5, use megui to convert the combined file created by virtualdub to an mkv file; vritual dub only works with avi files which can cause sound sync issues. I dont know of any hardware players that recognise h.264, but I think blu-ray players might. If you want to go even further, if you use xvid or h264, you can use multipass encoding which increases quality while maintaining the same filesize (or results in an even smaller file!) but there are plenty of tutorials on how to use those codecs. Note that the file created wont have any fancy dvd menus; you'll be using the dvd player's file browser to view the file. I've never done dvd authoring, but you'd need to use a dvd authoring program to get the menu. I'd rather spend my time getting a good encode rather than skimp on the encode and have nice menus. Hope that helps!	utopian201 (6245)
772956	2009-05-15 08:33:00	ok, i thought they in the disc as a single file. You should try to avoid unnecessary conversion at all costs; each time you convert, you lose a little quality, like saving a jpg over and over again. Assuming the vobs are mpeg 2 (you can check using media player classic to open the vob file and go to file properties), I would do the following: 1. Download virtual dub mpeg2 (its a modification of vdub that lets it modify mpeg, wmv, asf among others) 2. Use that to cut out the unwanted sections 3. Importantly, save the avi, but under video and audio options, choose direct stream copy. This ensures you aren't reencoding thus losing quality. Do this for each vob, saving each as an individual avi. 4. Once you have cut out the unwanted parts in each vob, join them using virtualdub (using append avi segment I think). Just append them one after the other in the order you want them to be joined. 5. Again, choose direct stream copy and then save as avi and you're done! This will leave you with quite a large file (but less than the originals combined because you cut out parts), but will be in mpeg 2 - all dvd players will recognise this. If you want a smaller file, for step 5, choose xvid and mp3 as the codecs (you'll need to choose full processing mode instead of direct stream copy) and select the codec under compression. Older dvd players don't recognise xvid though, but most newer ones do. Virtual dub can work well with xvid/mp3. If you want maximum quality for smallest file size (ie better than xvid for same file size or same quality as xvid for smaller file size) then use x264 as the codec. In which case, after step 5, use megui to convert the combined file created by virtualdub to an mkv file; vritual dub only works with avi files which can cause sound sync issues. I dont know of any hardware players that recognise h.264, but I think blu-ray players might. If you want to go even further, if you use xvid or h264, you can use multipass encoding which increases quality while maintaining the same filesize (or results in an even smaller file!) but there are plenty of tutorials on how to use those codecs. Note that the file created wont have any fancy dvd menus; you'll be using the dvd player's file browser to view the file. I've never done dvd authoring, but you'd need to use a dvd authoring program to get the menu. I'd rather spend my time getting a good encode rather than skimp on the encode and have nice menus. Hope that helps! Good advice. its actually not as complex as it appears at first. Windows movie maker etc may not allow you a decent bitrate,from memory its optimised for dialup-> ADSL. Or even simpler 1. Using AUTOGK ,convert it into one AVI[open the .ifo] 2. Open the avi in virtualdub,and edit out ads. 3. Save. 4. Anything like nero will convert it back into a dvd-video disc if required. This way it joins the vobs into one file for you, avi with Xvid inside is pretty normal. You just choose the quality.A single pass of perhaps 66% in AUTOGK should do. No point in H264 if your going back to MPEG2 on DVD again(you get to wait ages for the encode too) Lastly,yes I think bluray players may play H264 mp4 etc - counterfeit HD rips of Bluray discs are found in asia which are actualy single layer DVD discs,but with new video codecs so they still look better than a standard DVD!	pkm (13527)
772957	2009-05-18 23:32:00	Guy’s I’ve done it . :banana Finally I have got my movie back on disk minus the Adds and Weather Forecasts and in acceptable quality . For those of you playing in the same minefield this is how I did it in the end . 1: Took the Movie from Disk and saved it to computer as an . avi file using Handbrake . 2: Then I used (Wait for it) Windows Movie Maker (the freebee that comes with XP SP2 I think) to edit it and save it to Computer as an . wmv file . I couldn’t see a choice of file type . Where a Frame held some of the Movie and some of the Adds I split the frame into two and deleted the frame with the Adds . 3: Having edited out what I didn’t want, I re-saved it again as a . wmv file . 4: Then I used DVD Flick to re-encode it and burn it back to disk as a Video File . Job done and I’m quite happy . It surprised me though that Windows Movie Maker did what I couldn’t get the other recommended programmes to do . Just goes to show aye . :thanks everyone for your input . :thumbs:	B.M. (505)
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