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Thread ID: 84008 2007-10-21 02:03:00 WW-III ? SurferJoe46 (51) PC World Chat
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603702 2007-10-21 09:06:00 Aye?...what the hell sort of madness would come over you to travel to Iraq and die in a ditch?

Is this something you were compelled to do before the yanks invaded?, And now you don't have to? 		Metla (12)
603703 2007-10-21 09:37:00 If it wasn't for the yanks you and i would probably be lying in a ditch somewhere in iraq trying to defend the crap thats going on over there right now so be greatful that they are there and you aren't.

That is absolute and utter twaddle! Why would I want to enlist for an American pipe dream? If they weren't there we wouldn't have half the trouble we have today. 		andrew93 (249)
603704 2007-10-21 10:29:00 Why does SurferJoe post on here?
It's obvious from some of his posts he has no idea where NZ is.
I'm tired of him telling us what's going on in the world...as if we don't know.
Perhaps he thinks that we have votes in the US system....is NZ a US state?

Martynz

Hey, lighten up.

Sure, Joe pulls our leg at times. but I'm sure he knows where NZ is.

And considering the flak he gets here regularly for every real or imagined fault of the USA, his replies usually show considerably more tolerance from his end than comments like this.

Don't be such a grump. 		Laura (43)
603705 2007-10-21 12:53:00 ...they have more money than any other country...More like they owe China more money that any other... Erayd (23)
603706 2007-10-21 14:59:00 There are a lot of assumptions in there Joe - not sure I agree with most of them given the White House record on international affairs in the past 2 terms . It is this kind of twisted logic that results in unauthorised invasions of Middle Eastern countries by your Government .
Tail twisting aside . . .

I read all those statements . . . albeit they were not sewn together as I have posted them here . . . but at one time or another, each and every one of these "facts" have been stated by high mucky0mucks (we say "ivory tower-types" . . . . . . but that causes a little grief here) like the Prez of the US, JFK, The BBC News, and other cited "experts"

This is a given: The US will defend Israel in any situation . It will NOT allow the Muslims to attack .

This is another: Premier Putin just told the US (via George) to stay out of Iran's nuclear weapons concerns .

This is true: The Muslims, and their brethren, the Palestinians, want to destroy Israel .

The threat to Israel from an <edit> nation within missile range with potentially nuclear weapons . . is what they are worried about .

Remember the "bimbo-blowout" when Clinton told Palestine that he wanted to return the Palestine State and areas they lost in the 3-day war to them? That's when Bill-o got really dirtied by the people (nation) who put him in office in the first place . Israel didn't want that Palestinian State to be reestablished . . at any cost . . . and Clinton got roasted in the press (owned by whom?) and the news stations (owned by whom?) by a woman who said "I'm gonna get me a president" on who's payroll? <edit>

No . . . I think the "assumptions" of which you accuse me are pretty much a given here . . . just gotta do the math to see the bigger pix .

What I didn't infer was that I agreed with them ethically . . the stated ideas that is . . but they are being used today as bricks to build a case for WW-III .

Doubt as you might . . . but most of the people in the US don't usually think like this at all . . . not even along these lines .

The closer to the vest problems are: gas prices, heating prices (oil), food prices (transportation of such), rents/mortgages/house payments, commute time in hours, splintered families, gangs and gang warfare, vacant new housing, crashing policies and loss of income .

IF the US devalues the dollar (very likely with the tide of quick quips and news blurbs that are being used as a softening tool) . . you'll see a totally destroyed country . 		SurferJoe46 (51)
603707 2007-10-21 19:15:00 Aye?...what the hell sort of madness would come over you to travel to Iraq and die in a ditch?

Is this something you were compelled to do before the yanks invaded?, And now you don't have to?

It's called conscription my friend 		Hitech (9024)
603708 2007-10-21 19:18:00 Little hint for ya, There was no war in Iraq until the yanks started one. Metla (12)
603709 2007-10-21 19:35:00 The heart of the matter is oil, in my view. The US doesn't do anything that isn't in it's interest (like almost every other country) and its defense of Israel is not about morals, democracy or Zionism - it's about oil. They need an excuse to have a long lasting influence in the Middle East so that a balance of power in the region is forced. Conflict in the region is in the US interest because if there is stability for long enough the major oil producers will unite and have leverage again like in 1973. Deane F (8204)
603710 2007-10-21 19:48:00 Little hint for ya, There was no war in Iraq until the yanks started one .

Oh . . yeah?

The Russians got a severe butt-kicking in the same area too . . Afghanistan . . . it was their VietNam .

Those "peaceful" (so called) people have never had a vestige of a lingering peace for any time at all .

The Ottomans, the Greeks, The Phoenicians, The Israelites, The Palestinians, The Medes and the Persians have all hated each other for centuries .

Until the Vandals, Goths and such got these people to think in a unified purpose . . they were constantly warring with each other .

Now . . . since the Northern Men (Norsemen) aren't around to keep things in check, they've gone back to killing each other with gusto and new weapons .

Somehow, I suspect there's a Frenchman in the works here somewhere . . . might as well blame them . . . they muck up the world and then abandon it to others to clean up .

Weren't the names of some of these countries Franco-named at one time or another?

French Saudi-Arabia
French Colony Egypt
Congo Francais
How about the French Foreign Legion in Pakistan, India, Yemen, Constantinople?

Old and New French protectorates:


* Saar (1947-1956), not colonial or amical, but a former part of Germany that would by referendum return to it, in fact a re-edition of a former League of Nations mandate .
* In present India: Arkat (Arcot/Carnatic) was 1692 - 1750 a French protectorate until 1763 independence recognized under British protectorate
* In French Indochina until 1953/54:
o Cambodia 11 August 1863
o Annam and Tonkin 6 June 1884
o Laos 3 October 1893
North African and Indian Ocean Muslim cultures

* Comoros 21 April 1886 French protectorate (Anjouan *) till 25 Jul 1912 annexed
* present Djibouti was originally, since 24 June 1884, the Territory of Obock and Protectorate of Tadjoura (Territoires Française d'Obock, Tadjoura, Dankils et Somalis), a French protectorate recognized by Britain on 9 February 1888, renamed on 20 May 1896 as French Somaliland (Côte Française des Somalis) .
* Mauritania on 12 May 1903 French protectorate; within Mauritanian several traditional states:
o Adrar emirate since 9 January 1909 French protectorate (before Spanish)
o the Taganit confederation's emirate (founded by Idaw `Ish dynasty), since 1905 under French protectorate .
o ? Brakna confederation's emirate
o Trarza confederation's emirate since 15 December 1902 a French protectorate
* Morocco - most of the sultanate was 30 March 1912 - 2 March 1956 French protectorate *
* over Madagascar Traditional States
o 6 August 1896 Kingdom of Imerina under French protectorate . 28 February 1897 French Madagascar colony .
* Tunisia 12 May 1881 becomes a French protectorate by treaty . . . . 20 March 1956 French protectorate terminated .
* in Benin traditional states
o . . . 1889 Independent of Danhome, under French protectorate
o 23 February 1863 - 2 January 1865 Porto-Novo a French protectorate . 19 May 1868 Cotonou a French Protectorate . 14 April 1882 Porto-Novo French protectorate . . . .
* in Central African Republic traditional states:
o 12 December 1897 French protectorate over Dar al-Kuti (1912 Sultanate suppressed by the French)
o 1894 French protectorate over the Sultanate of Bangassou *
* present Burkina Faso was since 20 February 1895 a French protectorate named Haute-Volta ('Upper Volta')
* in Chad: Baghirmi state 20 September 1897 a French protectorate
* Côte d'Ivoire: 10 January 1889 French protectorate of Ivory Coast
* Guinea: 5 August 1849 French protectorate over coastal region; (Riviéres du Sud) .
* in Niger, Damagaram sultanate (later capital Zinder) since 30 July 1899 under French protectorate over the native rulers, titled Sarkin Damagaram or Sultan)
* in Senegal: 4 February 1850 First of several French protectorate treaties with local rulers .
* in French Polynesia, mainly the Society Islands (several other were immediately annexed)
o 1842 Otaheiti (native king styled Ari`i rahi) becomes a French protectorate known as Tahiti
o 1880 Ra`iatea and Taha`a (after temporary annexation by Otaheiti; (title Ari`i) a French protectorate
o 16 Jan 1844 Mangareva (on eof the of Gambier Islands; ruler title `Akariki) a French protectorate .
* on Wallis and Futuna:
o 4 November 1842 Wallis declared to be a French protectorate by King of Uvea and Captain Mallet of . . .
o 5 April 1887 `Uvea (Wallis) becomes a French protectorate .



However, to answer your taunt . . . . this ain't a new thing . . . just new players .

Interesting it is that these people all accede and concur of being brothers in the faith thru their association with their patriarch Abraham, their forefather, he of the Hebrew Scriptures .

Maybe they don't really read their books . . . they certainly don't read any history!

Rats! No my phone's gonna start clicking again! :mad: 		SurferJoe46 (51)
603711 2007-10-21 19:57:00 Have people here forgotten why the stupid yanks attacked Iraq in the first place. It was to find weapons of mass destruction and destroy them.
Well except for some 155mm chemical shells left over from their war with Iran they found bugger all.
Now they say they are fighting a war against terror in Iraq. But the so called terrorists are just people pissed they were invaded by the idiot americans.
We have a saying in Ngatimoti, if it isnt broken dont fix it. Usually applies to trucks,cars, mechanical things. But it applied to Iraq, Mr S. Hussein seemed to have ****ite insurgents under control in the central region and Al Qada werent a problem.
America just didnt learn from Vietnam where the Cong and NVA killed 50,000 of their worthless asses.
My prediction is a civil war in about 2 years with a Kurdistan in the north and a ****ite state in the south and a ****ite enclave in the central area.

t34 		Ho Chi Minh (11121)
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