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Thread ID: 84353	2007-11-02 07:16:00	Do you smoke Cigarettes?	radium (8645)	PC World Chat

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607792	2007-11-03 06:31:00	The amount of people who die mid jog,you would not believe!:confused: True, I wouldn't. (Unless it's zero.) Dying is pretty much final for any jog.	R2x1 (4628)
607793	2007-11-03 06:46:00	Well James, the other day I visited a couple for my work and we were all sitting in a small office. Both of them were obviously sick and both of them thought nothing of coughing all over me, without attempting to cover their mouths. I found that much more threatening to my health than someone smoking in the vicinity. How often do you encounter that situation though? And how did you make your mind that having someone coughing in front of you is more threatening to your health than inhaling 4,000+ chemicals? (Ref: www.cancer.org) I also assume that you never go near a road with vehicles on it, as inhaling the exhaust gas from a school bus will kill you just as surely as passive smoking. Perhaps you can campaign against buses as well for us? :rolleyes: Finally someone has raised this point. In terms of medication treatment, why would anyone take medicine (not) knowing that for every benefit, there is a risk? For example, Voltaren can bring about side effects like gastrointestinal (intestine) irritation, but it is still selling well. This is because the balance of benefit-to-risk lies towards the health benefit side. My point is that, the reason government has not outrightly banned bus is because the convenience that it brings is more important than the respiratory irritants that come with. The health benefit that cigarette brings is far far less than the harm that befalls the smokers. Cheers :)	Renmoo (66)
607794	2007-11-03 06:54:00	Might get run over by a bus :rolleyes: Ken Yeah, might get robbed and punched up by some mobs as well. And next, the rooftop might fall over my head, resulting in permanent coma. Before you know, the meteor that the astronomers have missed is going to hit us in an hour's time. Yes, all of these are possible. But let's talk about reasonable risk. As the anti-smoking advertisement has put it, "every smoke is doing you damage". Cheers :)	Renmoo (66)
607795	2007-11-03 07:04:00	SMOKE CHOKE CROAK	chicken one (6501)
607796	2007-11-03 07:07:00	Personally i find a little mild fresh BO is better than most deoderants, but each to their own. In some situations a little BO is an absolute turn on......and now back to the smoking issue. My choice: I looked at the cost of the 100grams of drum i was smoking a week in my early 20's, and realised that at the time that was half of my expendable income, i wanted toys much more than a growing habit that was more habit than fun, so with some determination and a weaning process i stopped smoking. Keyword, er phrase = my choice Your choice = yours Other peoples choices = other peoples choices The only grey area in the personal freedom arguemement is when people insist on the right to smoke in my face. My house-truck is a non smoking zone, and i mean it. My building is not. There's enough air in my building for me and a guest without my air being too badly flavoured by a guests choice of habits. This is not true about life in the back of a truck though. Any one wishing to visit my house-truck is advised to smoke outside.	personthingy (1670)
607797	2007-11-03 07:09:00	Most who still smoke won't want to admit it here. Why should they? There's enough criticism for that from family & friends without potentially adding more from this forum.. Come on! What about stir value!!??	personthingy (1670)
607798	2007-11-03 08:13:00	.........But let's talk about reasonable risk. .........Define "reasonable". Surely that would again comedown to person values? I'm told it's too dangerous to walk home via Aranui from New Brighton should i be coming home from that part of the world at 03:00am.. it's not safe! (apparently) although i find it a pleasant bit of exercize before i get home to sleep. Some peoples resonable would have me never out and about anywhere, because you never know the risk... blah blah blah... I'd never see my parents again in an world of enforced reasonability. Hitchiking from CHCH to the Far North and back is far far too dangerous, again, beyond reasonable risk. Choices are that beautiful thing that makes us human, and the right for people to make the "wrong" choices, so long as they don't intrude on the liberty of others is something i will allways fight for... while we still can. Quite frankly, i'd rather be dead than live in a world where i no longer had the right to make "mistakes" particually as much of these "mistakes" are only seen as such given the poilitical trends of the day.	personthingy (1670)
607799	2007-11-03 10:50:00	Congrats for admitting you're actually smoking - in this hypercritical "let's get the smokers" world. I suggest the poll will have little statistical relevance. Those who've given up will be proud to say so (As they should. It can be a huge task for some. Not everyone gets addicted equally) Most who still smoke won't want to admit it here. Why should they? There's enough criticism for that from family & friends without potentially adding more from this forum.. I find this quite a weird post, why would somebody not admit to it? Are we that judgemental?	rob_on_guitar (4196)
607800	2007-11-03 14:53:00	I find this quite a weird post, why would somebody not admit to it? Are we that judgemental? If you let me invoke the royal "WE"..then yes, WE are somewhat judgmental. Not you and me, of course, but there are others who would be so. SIDEBAR: In California now it is against the law to smoke in most public places...like restaurants, enclosed malls, public buildings, sidewalk cafes, elevators, public transportation and even outside of buildings as the employees are want to do during their breaks. The Indian casinos are exempt of this law as they are sovereign states and can do what they want. Not a big deal about the casinos..as I don't frequent them anyway..but I would go for the buffet meals if there was no smoking in it. Next year, Jan 01, it is illegal for a parent or other person to smoke in the presence of a minor child. This includes in a car, house or common grounds. If the child is an infant and cannot get away from the offending parent, the fine is doubled on the first offense, quadrupled on the second and jail time on the third.	SurferJoe46 (51)
607801	2007-11-03 15:23:00	If you let me invoke the royal "WE" . . then yes, WE are somewhat judgmental . Not you and me, of course, but there are others who would be so . SIDEBAR: In California now it is against the law to smoke in most public places . . . like restaurants, enclosed malls, public buildings, sidewalk cafes, elevators, public transportation and even outside of buildings as the employees are want to do during their breaks . The Indian casinos are exempt of this law as they are sovereign states and can do what they want . Not a big deal about the casinos . . as I don't frequent them anyway . . but I would go for the buffet meals if there was no smoking in it . Next year, Jan 01, it is illegal for a parent or other person to smoke in the presence of a minor child . This includes in a car, house or common grounds . If the child is an infant and cannot get away from the offending parent, the fine is doubled on the first offense, quadrupled on the second and jail time on the third . So everyone is going to be under surveilance? I can see the reasoning, but that has to be the most intrusive laws ever . . .	rob_on_guitar (4196)
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