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Thread ID: 84499	2007-11-08 04:54:00	Anti Terror?	Sweep (90)	PC World Chat

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609337	2007-11-08 04:54:00	So we appear to have a situation where the Police can not lay charges but an ordinary person can. home.nzcity.co.nz Now I do not know who MAY be guilty. This has not gone to court and it appears the matters will not do so at this point. It would appear that the police have some evidence and would like to present to a court/jury And www.nzherald.co.nz The law has to be tested in open court at some time in my opinion. This is where I get a problem with "Infringement Notices." Maybe Winston0001 can help.	Sweep (90)
609338	2007-11-08 05:08:00	Well Infringement notices have nothing to do with either of those, for a start. Anyone can lay a charge against someone else, as long as they have evidence or proof. It doesnt mean they'll win. The Police may have had evidence but it wasnt enough, for the Solicitor General to allow it. It was a stupid thing for the cops to do in the first place anyway. Did anyone hear anything about someone blowing things up / suicide bombers etc? NO.	Speedy Gonzales (78)
609339	2007-11-08 05:56:00	Well Infringement notices have nothing to do with either of those, for a start . Anyone can lay a charge against someone else, as long as they have evidence or proof . It doesnt mean they'll win . The Police may have had evidence but it wasnt enough, for the Solicitor General to allow it . It was a stupid thing for the cops to do in the first place anyway . Did anyone hear anything about someone blowing things up / suicide bombers etc? NO . There are still firearms charges as far as I am aware at this point in time . As members of the public we have not heard the EVIDENCE have we? We should put it before the court . The law has to be tested in my opinion . I did not hear about someone blowing thing up or suicide bombers in New Zealand . Not at this time anyway . If you had not noticed, in your lifetime, "infringement notices" tell you are guilty and you pay $ whatever . Or not as the case may be . The Magistrate (in the event you defend the matter) used to ask what income have you? An infringment notice charges you $x regardless of your ability to pay . And you should have the right to defend the charge(s) . The defendants have the right to hijack us possibly . The matter(s) should be in Court then we find whether the Cops were stupid or not .	Sweep (90)
609340	2007-11-08 05:59:00	Well Infringement notices have nothing to do with either of those, for a start . Anyone can lay a charge against someone else, as long as they have evidence or proof . It doesnt mean they'll win . The Police may have had evidence but it wasnt enough, for the Solicitor General to allow it . It was a stupid thing for the cops to do in the first place anyway . Did anyone hear anything about someone blowing things up / suicide bombers etc? NO . Forgot to mention that Trevor Mallard has been photographed . Evidence?	Sweep (90)
609341	2007-11-08 06:00:00	There is more to this that has not yet come into the public arena. These Police have been on to these fellows for some time. The evidence will show the Police weren't stupid - maybe they the laid wrong charge(s), or maybe they were premature with their arrests, but they had to intervene.	andrew93 (249)
609342	2007-11-08 06:16:00	Yeah it seems like the fault lies in the way the legislation was written, not in the way the police have handled the situation.	roddy_boy (4115)
609343	2007-11-08 06:18:00	Tame Iti a terrorist yeah right, he is what I would call a good bugger. He more an entertainer. The police could of sorted the whole Tuhoe firearm thing out by sending the local plod around to Tames with a box of red Police havent been policing lately they didnt charge Mallard or that clown that banged the dude with the megaphone. Which is pretty dumb because now you can pop someone in the head and use the mallard/megaphone dude as a precedent. Seems the NZ police need a take a good hard look at themselves and ping white people for assault as well.	chicken one (6501)
609344	2007-11-08 06:18:00	And I also wonder about about this:- www.beehive.govt.nz Now Michael Cullen delegated a decision to the solicitor general. May I ask whom will be responsible for the decision? Hon Dr Mike is the Attorney-General. Why I do not know. He has no knowledge of law but is a lawmaker. What gives?	Sweep (90)
609345	2007-11-08 06:21:00	You're right some of them will be charged for firearm offences instead. Doesnt mean theyre terrorists tho. Police / the govt just decided to make it more dramatic. Yer even tho Mallarrd may have been photographed or recorded on video, was that guy there at the time? The public may or may not hear anything to do with evidence either. I know what infringement notices are, I used to deal with them at the court. You do have the right to defend infringement notices. You can apply in writing, explaining whatever, and then its up to the cops in Wellington, on whether they'll grant it and remove it. It depends on HOW you got the infringement in the first place. It you were caught speeding on camera, how could you deny it? I think you're getting confused between reparation and Infringement notices. Theyre not the same thing. Infringements you dont usually go to court. Reparation you do. Thats when the judge will ask you, how much you can afford to pay back (as in reparation).	Speedy Gonzales (78)
609346	2007-11-08 06:35:00	Tame Iti a terrorist yeah right, he is what I would call a good bugger. He more an entertainer. The police could of sorted the whole Tuhoe firearm thing out by sending the local plod around to Tames with a box of red Police havent been policing lately they didnt charge Mallard or that clown that banged the dude with the megaphone. Which is pretty dumb because now you can pop someone in the head and use the mallard/megaphone dude as a precedent. Seems the NZ police need a take a good hard look at themselves and ping white people for assault as well. What you may have not noticed is that there are some white people going by names were charged in fact. So far nothing has got to court for the moment. I would not prefer trial by media or forums. Please just wait for the EVIDENCE. I also hope this does not get racist. You mentioned precedent. That is what we use for common law at this time.	Sweep (90)
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