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Thread ID: 84610	2007-11-12 02:46:00	Sickness Benefit	Enigmur (10547)	PC World Chat

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610810	2007-11-13 22:51:00	Which twit are you referring to? I think he is referring to the cat.	chicken one (6501)
610811	2007-11-13 23:36:00	Initially I had sympathy - I know officialdom can be bizarre & ridiculous. But I don't see it in this case. You two CHOOSE to have 2 residences. Do you want to live together? The answer seem to be no, you want everyone else to fund the best of both worlds. Storage? As pointed out, $100-$200/mth is available, so it's a meaningless argument. Space to run a business? Maybe more relevent. But it's a choice BOTH (presumably) make. If where you're in is too small even with compromises, would a NEW house for both be better than the current situation? If you don't want to co-habit, fine. But why get snotty if you can't get funded for that choice?. I like NZs welfare system by and large. Taxpayer central funded welfare/health/education is a good thing. It's economically efficient for you libertarians. But it does breed in some an idea of entitlement that goes way beyond what the people who PAY for it should allow. You have some very good points there, mmmork. Well done.	Laura (43)
610812	2007-11-14 00:07:00	A sickness benefit is a means of livelihood - therefore it fits the definition of occupation . Actually, "occupation" is defined at . answers . com/occupation?nafid=3" target="_blank">www . answers . com as: An activity that serves as one's regular source of livelihood; a vocation . An activity engaged in especially as a means of passing time; an avocation A "Sickness Benefit" is not an activity, but an income received from being categorised as 'not being able to work', by whatever criteria the government of the day decides is politically expedient . . .	johcar (6283)
610813	2007-11-14 01:47:00	Initially I had sympathy - I know officialdom can be bizarre & ridiculous . But I don't see it in this case . You two CHOOSE to have 2 residences . Do you want to live together? The answer seem to be no, you want everyone else to fund the best of both worlds . Storage? As pointed out, $100-$200/mth is available, so it's a meaningless argument . Space to run a business? Maybe more relevent . But it's a choice BOTH (presumably) make . If where you're in is too small even with compromises, would a NEW house for both be better than the current situation? If you don't want to co-habit, fine . But why get snotty if you can't get funded for that choice The reason she keeps her old flat is because she actively uses it (just doesn’t sleep there) . She cant use her stuff if it’s stuck in storage somewhere . I’m not asking to be funded for having two residences, you’ve missed the point entirely . Someone who is too unwell to work, but desperately wants to get back to work needs help in supporting themselves until they can . This has nothing to do with where they live, or who with . I don’t think its fair that anyone should have to completely support a partner, money is tight when you’re young . It would be the same in anyone’s case when living with a partner, even if she did live with me and paid rent at the same place as me – I’d be having to pay her cut and complaining still . Place of residence has nothing to do with anything – I’m not saying that OUR situation is a crap one – I’m saying the whole rule is, for everyone – a partner shouldn’t be expected to support two people in a time like this . I’m the absolute last sort of person who thinks using the benefit for being lazy is ok – so don’t accuse me of stealing tax payers money because we want to live in separate houses, even if we were in the same house it would be the same deal (so I have no idea how you came to figure that point) . My biggest problem with the issue is that so many people can easily sit for years and years on it with no intention on going back to work – but at the same time honest people cant get thrown a bone when all they want to do is get working again . I cant see why you cant get paid enough to cover rent for a month or two with a cutoff date, until you undergo surgery or whatever is needed to fix the problem .	Enigmur (10547)
610814	2007-11-14 02:46:00	Sickness benefit ok for people who are physicaly sick. By sick I mean bed ridden or barely able to move say to letter box. I remember seeing an ex foreman for a company I worked for who is on a benefit (bad back) making a very large retaining wall. Didnt have any problems with the concrete blocks etc. People who can drive, drink piss, smoke ciggies and dope cant be that sick that they require money from taxpayers. Funny I dont see people on the benifit saying thank you taxpayers for your charity and they should. Maybe the should go out with a big B marked by felt pen on their forehead. That way we can see they appreciate the money. C1 Sickness benefit is for those who are too sick to carry out employment, not just for those who are near death. They only get paid about what you would get on the dole anyway, which isn't much. Certainly noone would chose to go from full employment to the sickness benefit out of choice, and you have to get independently assess too.	robbyp (2751)
610815	2007-11-14 03:11:00	A "Sickness Benefit" is not an activity, but an income received from being categorised as 'not being able to work', by whatever criteria the government of the day decides is politically expedient... Good point. Something should be done.	Deane F (8204)
610816	2007-11-14 03:24:00	"The reason she keeps her old flat is because she actively uses it (just doesn’t sleep there) . She cant use her stuff if it’s stuck in storage somewhere . " OK . A partner includes two people living together in the nature of a marriage . This including people whom happen to be homosexual, lesbian or the new word like gay . Your partner became unwell but possibly the female involved may like to use the flat as a work place in the event the lady is able to work at a future date . I note that you also you also use the word partner as the operative word on PressF1 . Sewing machines possibly I’m not asking to be funded for having two residences, you’ve missed the point entirely . Someone who is too unwell to work, but desperately wants to get back to work needs help in supporting themselves until they can . This has nothing to do with where they live, or who with . I don’t think its fair that anyone should have to completely support a partner, money is tight when you’re young . I remember some time back when I complained to my Mother about some issue and I said, "It's not fair . " Her answer was, "Who promised you that life had to be fair?" Money can be tight when you are older as well . My questions to you:- Do you sleep with the partner on a regular basis? Are you and you partner living in the same house or flat or apartment? Student loans? Other debts? I am over 65 so I have a little idea or two . My Father supported a family of 5 on his wages It would appear that there is an issue . So what do you do for a living? It would be the same in anyone’s case when living with a partner, even if she did live with me and paid rent at the same place as me – I’d be having to pay her cut and complaining still . Place of residence has nothing to do with anything – I’m not saying that OUR situation is a crap one – I’m saying the whole rule is, for everyone – a partner shouldn’t be expected to support two people in a time like this . I’m the absolute last sort of person who thinks using the benefit for being lazy is ok – so don’t accuse me of stealing tax payers money because we want to live in separate houses, even if we were in the same house it would be the same deal (so I have no idea how you came to figure that point) . My biggest problem with the issue is that so many people can easily sit for years and years on it with no intention on going back to work – but at the same time honest people cant get thrown a bone when all they want to do is get working again . I cant see why you cant get paid enough to cover rent for a month or two with a cutoff date, until you undergo surgery or whatever is needed to fix the problem .	Sweep (90)
610817	2007-11-14 03:51:00	Enigmur, welcome to the world of grown ups. When you start to live with someone, or marry them, you get a lot of benefits - but there are negatives. And this is one of them. Basically life isn't fair. Everyone has stories of the unfairness of things. For example, a few years ago we bought a house at a mortgagee auction. The husband had gone back to China and his wife didn't get to grips with the bank. We bought it and she is stayed on as our tenant. She made another mistake last year. She remarried to a Chinese immigrant who can't get work. DPB went and they are in deep financial straits. She's been looking very ill for months with the stress of it all and she currently owes us 4 weeks rent. Is this fair - to her or to us? On the subject of sickness benefits. A few years back I was fiddling with the budget and wondered about our hugely expensive income protection insurance. I rang WINZ to find out what we would get if I cancelled it and one of us got sick. The insurance stayed. We'd have hit disaster if we had to rely on the low benefit.	Mercury (1316)
610818	2007-11-14 05:07:00	Enigmur, I would get your girlfriend (thats what she really is) to go back to WINZ and perhaps you go as well and explain your situation properly, but don't use the word partner. :)	Trev (427)
610819	2007-11-14 05:23:00	My partner ... is absolutely nauseous all day and unable to work because of it. It will take 2-3 months to come right. Um, it isn't the obvious "illness" by any chance? Often also known as an "accident". The one that wrecks your finances for the next twenty years?	Mercury (1316)
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