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Thread ID: 84509	2007-11-08 18:30:00	Howard Broad should resign	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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609612	2007-11-09 09:22:00	In searching your property I notice a P lab but NO bombs or any intention to make a bomb. Therefore I entered your house in not quite a legal manner. May I use the evidence to bust you for the P lab? In your example, the Police entered the house in a perfectly legal manner. The P lab was found during a lawful search for other things. Evidence Act 2006, section 30, subsection 2, paragraph (b) - if the Judge finds that the evidence has been improperly obtained, determine whether or not the exclusion of the evidence is proportionate to the impropriety by means of a balancing process that gives appropriate weight to the impropriety but also takes proper account of the need for an effective and credible system of justice. The next subsection goes on to list the things to which the judge ought to give regard when deciding whether or not to allow the evidence. I would point to paragraph (b) - the nature of the impropriety, in particular, whether it was deliberate, reckless, or done in bad faith: and paragraph (d) - the seriousness of the offence with which the defendant is charged: I'd say the evidence would be allowed in a trial for manufacturing P.	Deane F (8204)
609613	2007-11-09 09:54:00	What a bunch of Left Wing, Pink PC poofs :(	Zippity (58)
609614	2007-11-09 10:24:00	What a bunch of Left Wing, Pink PC poofs :( You've convinced me, Zippity. I'm going to come over to your way of thinking and I hope that everybody here can see the wisdom of what you're saying too. It's an extremely well thought out statement and there's certainly little point in us Left Wing, PC poofs holding on to our opinions in the face of such eloquence and when we all stop and consider the facts that are contained in your post - well, our opinions just don't stack up anymore.	Deane F (8204)
609615	2007-11-09 12:02:00	I'm sure Tame Iti and his cohorts wont be feeling too comfortable knowing the police (and every other person in the country) will be on their tails with a vengeance now. Personally I think it's a pity that the solicitor-general couldnt allow the charges to proceed, I (and a lot of others!) would like to have seen what these clowns have been up to, guess we'll never know, unless someone decides to whistle-blow. I hope we'll learn more, as this is not the sort of s**t that can be swept under the carpet, no matter how the Maori feel about it. Howard Broad shouldnt resign, he has done his job to the best of his ability in trying to protect us from the likes of these idiots, it's sad (for all of us) that the laws he's tried to uphold are defective.	feersumendjinn (64)
609616	2007-11-09 18:06:00	Howard Broad shouldnt resign, he has done his job to the best of his ability in trying to protect us from the likes of these idiots, it's sad (for all of us) that the laws he's tried to uphold are defective. Whether the laws the Police were trying to uphold are defective - is one question. Another question is the method used by Police to uphold the law. The Minister of Police cannot involve herself in operational matters and so Broad is ultimately responsible for these methods. Yet another question is the year's worth of Police resources used in surveillance - and the paltry few firearms charges that were laid at the end of it all.	Deane F (8204)
609617	2007-11-10 07:55:00	Terrorism charges were never laid, but the act was used to collect evidence, which they say showed that the scumbags were planning something. I see that wotz is another unbiased commentator as demonstrated by his use of the neutral word "scumbags". Martynz	martynz (5445)
609618	2007-11-10 09:01:00	I think that TV1 poll result is very telling. Nearly 10 to 1 in support of the police, despite the Terrorism Supression Act being a damp sqib. That's the fault of Parliament, not the police. Good that people can see that. You know we all sit here in our comfortable secure homes shaking our heads that some noisy activists have been arrested. Tut tut. Leave them alone. Yet, what would we say if any of us or our friends/family were blown up in a politically motivated attack? We'd be screaming about why didn't the Police/SIS/Aunty Helen do something about it? We live in an era of guerilla activism where violence is an acceptable act. It is reminiscent of the anarchist movement of the 19th century, the difference being that technology has made the explosions so much more devastating. I have no doubt that we all want to live in a safe and peaceful society. The price we pay is to ever vigilant. That is what the police do.	Winston001 (3612)
609619	2007-11-10 09:08:00	I'm sure Tame Iti and his cohorts wont be feeling too comfortable knowing the police (and every other person in the country) will be on their tails with a vengeance now. Isn't there a sort of delicious irony here? Activists have been proclaiming a separate nation, demanding sovereignty, issuing passports, blocking roads, claiming territory as exclusively belonging to them (Tuhoe for example). Generally they have been ignored. But now someone - the Police - have taken them seriously. And they don't like it!	Winston001 (3612)
609620	2007-11-10 09:24:00	Isn't there a sort of delicious irony here? Activists have been proclaiming a separate nation, demanding sovereignty, issuing passports, blocking roads, claiming territory as exclusively belonging to them (Tuhoe for example). Generally they have been ignored. But now someone - the Police - have taken them seriously. And they don't like it! Well, that's freedom for you. They've been free to do all of those things and make all of those claims. Yes the Police took an interest in them - raided an entire township, set up roadblocks and photographed people they stopped, searched school buses etc. And after all that they laid some firearms charges.	Deane F (8204)
609621	2007-11-10 09:36:00	The original charges were partly about the terrorism law. They were charged under that act. If domestic terrorism was thought to be involved, the SIS are the agency concerned. A dozen or more people arrested. The ONLY person the SIS reports to is the PM Helen Clark. A direct link to her office, not censored, not gone through anyone else yadda yadda, she knows the whole story. At the time, she was supportive of the arrests. Look it up. She has since tried to blame 'legislation' (this is what governments pass. She is head of the government) I voted for the ***** twice but this is too much.	mmmork (6822)
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