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| Thread ID: 84766 | 2007-11-17 18:25:00 | Should Juries see previous convictions ? | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 612382 | 2007-11-18 00:35:00 | Well no coz i doubt they would anyway. Whats it gonna prove anyway? |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 612383 | 2007-11-18 00:44:00 | Well no because I doubt they would anyway. Whats it going prove anyway? So I take it your answer in no. If say a chap has 30 previous convictions for burglary,then I think its a fair bet he is guilty this time too,but no you say,we wont tell the jury about his form,it might compromise his position. I say,off with his head. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 612384 | 2007-11-18 01:30:00 | I think what is being discussed here,is not the law,for as we all know is an ass. What we are talking about is,should a rotter's background be used in a trial,the answer of all the reasonable among-st us must be yes. Where these Dean Fellow,the knower of all things would take us,the fact that these cads get off doesn't bother him at all. It bothers me when people get off - just as it bothers me when innocent people get convicted. An accused's previous convictions are not evidence. Perhaps you could present some argument that previous convictions are actually evidence of a crime? Or would you have people tried in criminal court on the basis of the impression made by previous convictions - rather than actual evidence? |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 612385 | 2007-11-18 01:32:00 | If say a chap has 30 previous convictions for burglary,then I think its a fair bet he is guilty this time too,but no you say,we wont tell the jury about his form,it might compromise his position. Ahh - so you'd like to see people convicted on "a fair bet" now - and just do away with the whole "beyond reasonable doubt" thing? |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 612386 | 2007-11-18 01:38:00 | If it is good enough for the Judge to base his sentence on previous convictions, then surely it is good enough for the jury to see the accused's previous convictions. And surely one thing we all want to do is to get rid of offenders re-offending ! If they are worried about previous convictons being brought up, then they should not have done the previous crimes ! And if the jury was told that this accused HAS NO PREVIOUS CONVICTIONS, then that should count towards their good character ! Regards Digby |
Digby (677) | ||
| 612387 | 2007-11-18 01:58:00 | Ahh - so you'd like to see people convicted on "a fair bet" now - and just do away with the whole "beyond reasonable doubt" thing? In the case of known rotters yes. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 612388 | 2007-11-18 02:34:00 | So I take it your answer in no. If say a chap has 30 previous convictions for burglary,then I think its a fair bet he is guilty this time too,but no you say,we wont tell the jury about his form,it might compromise his position. I say,off with his head. Convict the person ONLY if the evidence says that they did it - although sometimes even then it isn't always cut and dried.. Otherwise it might just be a case of bad timing. |
winmacguy (3367) | ||
| 612389 | 2007-11-18 02:36:00 | Society owes scum nothing. If they have been done for it in the past, and haven't learned, still refuse to treat the people that support there lazy good for nothing selves with respect then I can't even see why we bother wasting millions putting them on trial. A bullet costs a few cents, and getting a hole dug isn't expensive. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 612390 | 2007-11-18 02:42:00 | A friend of mine has a couple of convictions from his young and silly days. Two years ago his brother, a drug addict, went through a patch of using his ID for various things - no wof, no rego, disorderly behaviour... I went with him to both the Police and the Courts to try to sort this out. They'd read his file, look at him in disillusion and go "yeah! right! Tell it to the marines." It was incredibly hard work to get them to look at it. Don't let juries take this attitude too. Convict on the facts of the specific case. |
Mercury (1316) | ||
| 612391 | 2007-11-18 02:53:00 | No surprise there, approaching the cops is a guarantee you will meet some grief, Its their job to be jaded *******s. | Metla (12) | ||
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