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| Thread ID: 144261 | 2017-08-30 02:59:00 | How to break the monopoly of BIOS in new computers by Microsoft. | mzee (3324) | Press F1 |
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| 1438648 | 2017-08-30 21:52:00 | Comp: HP Stream G3 Its a budget, el cheapy cheapo notebook. So really, no surprises if you have issues doing what it wasnt designed for. :badpc: secure boot, UEFI etc can be a real pain to deal with I recently had to fix a notebook that there was no way to get into the bios expect via Win10 itself .Yep, no option to enter bios directly via fn keys etc So if win10 corrupted ,or if HD fails, there's no way to get into the bios to make it boot from CD/USB . Just who in the design stage thought that was a good idea . :mad: "What to do?" leave it on Win10 & stop fiddling with it. Just accept it for what it is. |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1438649 | 2017-08-30 22:19:00 | There are ways top get a W7 onto the drive, BUT almost guarantee it either wont boot or some functions wont work. W7 is to old and no longer supported by many manufactures. | wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1438650 | 2017-08-30 22:33:00 | "What to do?" leave it on Win10 & stop fiddling with it. Just accept it for what it is. Or sell it and get something more suitable. |
KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1438651 | 2017-08-30 22:55:00 | Ignore my post #12. According to the specs, not only does this thing not have an Ethernet port, it also doesn't have a standard HardDrive, it has eMMC on the motherboard, which looks like is not supported by W7. eMMC is a primitive form of storage and its basically a sd card soldered on to a motherboard. The eMMC device also has a controller that makes the eMMC bootable so it can be used as a system drive inside cheap Android, Windows, and Chrome OS tablets and laptops. However, eMMC doesn’t have the firmware, multiple flash memory chips, high-quality hardware, and fast interface that makes an SSD so fast. Just as SD cards are much slower than internal SSDs, eMMC storage is much slower than a more sophisticated SSD. You’ll often find eMMC used in portable electronic devices like cell phones and digital cameras. With a push toward super-cheap $99 tablets and $199 laptops that need solid-state storage and not mechanical drives, cheap tablets and laptops are also being built with eMMC drives. You’ll typically see whether a device comes with an eMMC drive in its specifications. If the device is super-cheap, it probably has an eMMC instead of an SSD. Here we go, straight from intel -- Scroll down to the bottom www.intel.com |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1438652 | 2017-08-30 23:45:00 | I think rEFInd might be useful to you . Install refind in Mint and when you boot your system it pops up a nice graphical boot menu that will either boot your Mint kernel directly or you can have it boot into your Mint's Grub menu . It's very flexible (boots Windows too) . To install it in Mint (based on Ubuntu) you can do this in a terminal: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:rodsmith/refind sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install refind This will add a small repository to your Mint system which will make it easier to update refind from time to time . Rod Smith (author of refind) is quite an authority on booting EFI systems and is very well known and respected in Linux circles . This is Rod's page on installing refind: . rodsbooks . com/refind/installing . html" target="_blank">www . rodsbooks . com That’s an interesting link Rod . A bit above my head, but raises a question I’ve been pondering . I was at a gathering a couple of weeks ago and a gentleman I didn’t know was telling another guest there that he had a set-up where he had three Hard Drives on his computer, one with Linux, one with Windows and one with Mac . This gave him the best of all worlds as he could boot to any of the systems he felt like . They were talking scribble to me, but I wonder if it can be done and whether the link you supplied was the key to it? Ok, I use GRUB to boot between Linux and Win7 but I didn’t think GRUB had Apple Mac covered as well . I’d be interested in your take on this three HDD’s set-up and boot from the one of your choice . |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1438653 | 2017-08-31 00:45:00 | Or sell it and get something more suitable. I took this off my Grandson as instead of doing his homework he was playing games and downloading rubbish, and the drive constipated. As usual the AV was out of date etc. Exchanged it for my Chromebook which is pretty well bullet proof. I just use this HP Stream to play with, hours of fiddling.In its favour, it does have a good keyboard, and the battery lasts about 8 hours. Have two 'real' computers for my work etc. |
mzee (3324) | ||
| 1438654 | 2017-08-31 01:15:00 | That’s an interesting link Rod. A bit above my head, but raises a question I’ve been pondering. I was at a gathering a couple of weeks ago and a gentleman I didn’t know was telling another guest there that he had a set-up where he had three Hard Drives on his computer, one with Linux, one with Windows and one with Mac. This gave him the best of all worlds as he could boot to any of the systems he felt like. They were talking scribble to me, but I wonder if it can be done and whether the link you supplied was the key to it? Ok, I use GRUB to boot between Linux and Win7 but I didn’t think GRUB had Apple Mac covered as well. I’d be interested in your take on this three HDD’s set-up and boot from the one of your choice. Yeah, sounds cool. But getting Apple Mac OS to install and run on non-Apple hardware is tricky (also not exactly legal. It's called a "Hackintosh (http://www.hackintosh.com/)" :cool:). So, the booting process isn't the stumbling block really. Refind can be installed on Mac computers too. |
Rod J (451) | ||
| 1438655 | 2017-08-31 02:43:00 | I just use this HP Stream to play with, hours of fiddling.. If you just want a bit of a play around, you could try installing the ChromeOs Clone . Thats quite easy to get going on ~normal~ full size notebooks Just make sure you have a working way to restore this notebook back to Win, in case it all goes pear shaped :) |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1438656 | 2017-08-31 06:49:00 | Isn't the issue secure boot, which I guess you can credit to MS since they did allow OEM to remove the ability to disable secure boot with win10 by giving some sort of incentive to them if they did. This was only a MS security problem in which they found a way to monopolise on it and make it difficult for rivals. Really nothing to do with OEM hardware unless they bring back win(hardware). You are required to have a signed uefi, which a lot of linux distributions could not afford to purchase a key. Ubuntu has paid to be able to sign, so it should work but others such as Mint may not be so lucky. Self signed uefi may or may not work but with my computers I look at replacing the firmware for the bios to get the most out of it and to not be limited by what the OEM dictates. Everything seems to be heading towards uefi with secure boot, so changes will be made in future. |
Kame (312) | ||
| 1438657 | 2017-09-01 06:31:00 | I have disabled secure boot. Mint works fine on it, except that it appears in the F9 boot list. Mint only appears as she OS in BIOS if Windows is removed. All attempts at making the usual grub boot menu have been blocked. Mint requires a swap partition which gives a bit of concern as the continual reading/deleting, and writing is probably not good for the flash drive. I have just deleted the swap partition, but have yet to try it. Shouldn't need a swap file with 4GB RAM. I may try converting to Chrome book as the HP Chromebook 11 G3 is very similar. Probably not worth it as the Chrome Browser does most things that Chromebook handles, but with the advantage of still having off-line capabilities. |
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