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| Thread ID: 84908 | 2007-11-22 23:43:00 | Sue Bradford is a liar | SolMiester (139) | PC World Chat |
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| 614146 | 2007-11-24 07:58:00 | While Im a man of religion myself and esteem biblical values, SM, you speak of these things yet are fine with getting drunk? Read Proverbs where it talks against drunkenness... Lets review the facts (According to the posts in this thread so far): He had a prior history of violence He pleaded guilty He's in Anger Management He left bruises on the kids shoulder Personally, I have no problem with smacking (YMMV), but not to that extent, and not when rage or anger is involved. Ever. And yes, there are some things that are in the bible that were really only relevant to the culture of the day. Take things in context where its due matey... |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 614147 | 2007-11-24 08:08:00 | (snip)I bet there aren't many of us out there who didn't get a whack from a teacher at sometime. Didn't hurt us did it. I mean we all turned out pretty good ay? Didn't hurt us? We all turned out pretty good ay? Well, I have thought about that a lot because that has been a common argument in this whole debate over the Bradford bill. I have been interested in the fact that the only people who have used it in the debate have been the ones who insist they have a right to whack their kids. I have also wondered why NZ is such a violent country. Where does that violence come from? Is it possible that it comes from the kind of violence that was meted out to us by those formative influences - teachers, parents, and sports coaches? I often wonder where my rage comes from. Why I simply loathe and mistrust anyone in authority, and anyone who makes out that they are of a higher class than me. Why does the red mist come down before the eyes when confronted by people like Jenny Shipley, Ruth Richardson, Roger Douglas, or rapist police officers. People that assume they were born to rule, or take what they want when they want it. People like the parasites Fay and Richwhite. I was still being thrashed by my teachers into the seventh form. Did it do me any harm? Who knows - but the rage must have come from somewhere. Probably had something to do with why I hit my first child "for disciplinary reasons" until I worked out it was wrong and counter productive, and never did it again. I never laid a hand on either of my subsequent kids. If people were honest they would admit they hit their kids a) because they are bigger than them; b) because they have the power to do so; c) because they don't know any other way to impose their will on them; and d) because that is what happened to them, and when the chips are down, you act out what you know. I don't know the answer to your question, but I suspect it did hurt all of us - we just don't realise how much. |
John H (8) | ||
| 614148 | 2007-11-24 08:27:00 | Polititians don't tell lies. They are just "incorrectly advised". So some poor civil servant is to blame. Personaly I think she's mentaly deranged. Oh well there's another election next year. Next time the kid misbehaves the INNOCENT father should take the kid to that female and ask her to demonstrate how to punish him. Because, you know, most parents leave bruises on their kids' shoulders when they open hand smack them :rolleyes: |
V1sta (6614) | ||
| 614149 | 2007-11-24 09:27:00 | Didn't hurt us? We all turned out pretty good ay? Well, I have thought about that a lot because that has been a common argument in this whole debate over the Bradford bill. I often wonder where my rage comes from. Why I simply loathe and mistrust anyone in authority, and anyone who makes out that they are of a higher class than me. Why does the red mist come down before the eyes when confronted by people like Jenny Shipley, Ruth Richardson, Roger Douglas, or rapist police officers. People that assume they were born to rule, or take what they want when they want it. People like the parasites Fay and Richwhite. Have you met these people? If so I doubt these people look down on you.... |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 614150 | 2007-11-24 14:38:00 | NZ has the politicians it deserves, and while it misguidedly perseveres with MMP, we will see the major party of a coalition government cowtowing to the whims of a minor partner in the coalition to keep their support for their main agenda. Get rid of MMP and go to a system of a transferable vote preferential voting system and the problems associated with the Sue Bradfords of the Lunatic fringe of NZ politics will disappear. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 614151 | 2007-11-24 17:02:00 | What annoys me about Labour is that they bring in laws that they want, not laws that we want. There was no huge hue and cry for an anti-smacking bill ! And they just bring them in with no public discussion. Lets hope Kiwis remember all of this stuff when they vote next year ! Regards Digby |
Digby (677) | ||
| 614152 | 2007-11-24 19:41:00 | Didn't hurt us? We all turned out pretty good ay? Well, I have thought about that a lot because that has been a common argument in this whole debate over the Bradford bill. I have been interested in the fact that the only people who have used it in the debate have been the ones who insist they have a right to whack their kids. I have also wondered why NZ is such a violent country. Where does that violence come from? Is it possible that it comes from the kind of violence that was meted out to us by those formative influences - teachers, parents, and sports coaches? I often wonder where my rage comes from. Why I simply loathe and mistrust anyone in authority, and anyone who makes out that they are of a higher class than me. Why does the red mist come down before the eyes when confronted by people like Jenny Shipley, Ruth Richardson, Roger Douglas, or rapist police officers. People that assume they were born to rule, or take what they want when they want it. People like the parasites Fay and Richwhite. I was still being thrashed by my teachers into the seventh form. Did it do me any harm? Who knows - but the rage must have come from somewhere. Probably had something to do with why I hit my first child "for disciplinary reasons" until I worked out it was wrong and counter productive, and never did it again. I never laid a hand on either of my subsequent kids. If people were honest they would admit they hit their kids a) because they are bigger than them; b) because they have the power to do so; c) because they don't know any other way to impose their will on them; and d) because that is what happened to them, and when the chips are down, you act out what you know. I don't know the answer to your question, but I suspect it did hurt all of us - we just don't realise how much.Quite a few valid points in here. Where the violence comes from... I would say our respective heritages. The English and their class system for example was introduced to NZ when they arrived, as was the Catholic religion and all that it entailed (including severe discipline) What annoys me about Labour is that they bring in laws that they want, not laws that we want. ... Regards DigbyDo remember that Labour isn't the only one that brings in crap laws. How many of us remember the outcry that met the Employment Contracts Bill, which was introduced and later passed by the National Party I will however concede that the Labour Party has been getting it wrong a lot lately with some of its laws (dropping the drinking age for example) |
Myth (110) | ||
| 614153 | 2007-11-24 20:39:00 | Sue should now take that 8 year old in as a Foster Child and show how bringing up a child should be done, otherwise he is going to be a fair b*****, now that he has the upper hand. Lurks. |
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