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Thread ID: 84931	2007-11-23 20:11:00	Are We Fast-Tracking Stupid Children?	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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614389	2007-11-23 20:11:00	I've got a feeling that there is a strong undercurrent about this, if not some spectral ideas that there's something wrong with the current crop of youth and their inability to comprehend and interact with our socially normal deviations . Take texters, for example: Do they text as a means to an end or is this an end unto itself? Can they not spell or do the not have time to learn to spell? Are we raising children . , . . especially boys . . totally outside their instincts as hunters/providers and making them more into nurturers? Now . . don't get me wrong . . . I like nurturers . . but they should be female . . which I feel is not really an arguable point as they are the birth-providers and infant feeders etc . By this time I guess I've gathered sighs and someone's lighting their fires to brand me a sexual-egoist and bigot . . . but beg to stay for the point . Society now demands that we birth a child, plop them down in front of some sort of screen and allow them to interact with things on that screen . How abysmal! From that point we press them into molds that are acceptable to a faster and faster paced society that demands performance and duties that cannot be met without digitalelectronicalinterfaces and their ilk . I recently saw a general contractor with a cell phone in each ear and two more on his belt bleating away for his attention . He had just a few scant moments later on to confide in me that he had to use such massive communications where in a few years past he had not even one cellphone . The competition was too intense now and to just keep even in the ever-rapidly-accelerating stream of his profession . . he had to employ any and all the communicative skills he could mentally muster . He is a slave to technology . His children never see him . . they are slaves to his lifestyle too . Sad . So . . . to the point now . . . I don't see where all the fast tracking of our kids and even our college-level students is any for the good . We are killing them . . at least cursing them to a never ending contest to just keep even . Hence . . is fast tracking destroying our lives? I present as my poster boy :Boy George ( . poster . net/boy-george/boy-george-photo-xl-boy-george-6227175 . jpg" target="_blank">www . poster . net)	SurferJoe46 (51)
614390	2007-11-23 22:30:00	I recently saw a general contractor with a cell phone in each ear and two more on his belt bleating away for his attention . So . . . to the point now . . . I don't see where all the fast tracking of our kids and even our college-level students is any for the good . We are killing them . . at least cursing them to a never ending contest to just keep even . Contest? Its choice . I don't own a cellphone . I don't want to own a cellphone either . Therefore I don't .	pctek (84)
614391	2007-11-23 22:59:00	What do you mean fast tracking? Aren't they here already?:p	rob_on_guitar (4196)
614392	2007-11-23 23:55:00	Contest? Its choice . I don't own a cellphone . I don't want to own a cellphone either . Therefore I don't . That's all well and good for you . . . and I am not immune to that desire too . I own a phone, but rarely ever take it out with me unless I need to be far away from home . . . like the next state or so . I find them a leash and a string to my tail that allows people to find me when found is not what I want . Having said that . . . I feel there's a rush to competition these days that at best is just holding one's nose slightly above water and it's the fault of oh so many "things" . . . business competition is among them . The complication of "the job" and a tragic new emphasis on attaining "things" to enrich our lives has gone all skewed . It's not sufficient to be of humble places and times and familial lines . (Present company MAY be excluded by raising their hands now) . . . now one must make a killing in some market; homes; real estate; gold futures; digareedoos . The part I may have so ineloquently said is that this rush to competition has ruined the more pastoral and innocent life that we are trying to achieve . . howbeit in our "golden years" or well past productive capacity . So with that comes the grand shoe in the rectum to get kids into the job market ASAP . That discourages coloring in all the pagers in a developing bucket of mush-mind and effectively the schools graduate on a social level, not an academic one . Pump the kids heads full of pre-pre-preschool training . . try to inculcate the alphabet and EZ-algebra into them in utero or while they're still in liquid form! The well-roundedness and social skill are left wanting and the only real intrinsic value of an education is learning where to look something up or the person to delegate the job to because you cannot be bothered to do it yourself because you don't have time . This headlong rush to achieve is killing the human appreciation of things rose and things rose smelling . Too bad . What do you mean fast tracking? Aren't they here already? Well . . yes and no . HERE is not where I am . . and YOU are THERE . The world has not trumped youse guys so badly yet . . . . but your turn in the barrel is coming . You are only living a small percentage of the commotion that these new and (follow this part carefully) less educated, yet more educated kids are not getting the basics . . . We have kids here who cannot spell their surnames nor can they use a paper and pencil to figger out the change for a sale to a customer . If it ain't on the LCD screen for them to read, they can't fathom how to arrive at simple addition and subtraction . They say it's a worthless art and not needed any more . BAH! That's the less educated part . The more educated part is that these kids are quantum years ahead of the previous generation in tech-o things . Not that I am jealous . . . . well, maybe a little when I hear of someone actually installing and using a Linux program . . . but that's a sidebar . I think the skip over of things social has made the kids a lot less "nice" to be around .	SurferJoe46 (51)
614393	2007-11-24 01:59:00	Pump the kids heads full of pre-pre-preschool training..try to inculcate the alphabet and EZ-algebra into them in utero or while they're still in liquid form! The well-roundedness and social skill are left wanting and the only real intrinsic value of an education is learning where to look something up or the person to delegate the job to because you cannot be bothered to do it yourself because you don't have time. Here in NZ in the early 1900's these 12 year olds were given an algerbra test and about the 80's these teacher trainees were given the same test. Guess which lot did better?	mikebartnz (21)
614394	2007-11-24 04:03:00	The 12vs, likely . . . . My daughter's homeroom teacher in 8th grade (at age of about 12-13 for reference to your grades) sent a paper home to the parents about the coming scolastic year and what goals were going to be achieved and so forth . The spelling errors and grammar were horrible . I corrected the errors and graded the pages and returned them to her with a grade of D- . She called me and asked me to meet with her . I did . She asked who the hell I thought I was correcting her . I told her that she needed correcting and the I was a parent of a head full of mush for brains child who had relegated the education to a total stranger with little idea who that teacher might be . I found that the teacher had a minor degree in animal husbandry and was a studying to be an embalmer and she needed this job to finish her degree in macabre sciences . I pulled my daughter out of the class and home schooled her for the next year . That daughter is now a young attorney-to-be, working as a paralegal toward her degree in business law and wants to become a corporate attorney . She attends full time at USC . She has a grade point average of 5 . 0 . (An "A" is 4 . 0) Mortuary sciences degrees do not a qualified teacher make .	SurferJoe46 (51)
614395	2007-11-24 11:16:00	surfer joe, do remember the states is a bit different from NZ here thing's are relatively calm, there's no need for / fear of lawsuits, any idiot can do just fine living off the state, and our kids aren't failing quite as bad as yours :P (and then i _justafiably_ blame some of our student's failure on all the crap we get from your culture, but sadly alot is our own failing education system and society it's called change, for better or for worse..... i hear there was a time where a family could survive on a single income.... why is that no-longer the case? could it be the desire for more useless material goods, or a growing gap between the cost of living and income?	motorbyclist (188)
614396	2007-11-25 07:22:00	I think motorbyclist fairly well covered it. Joe our Grade system is similar to yours now. Your grade 8 system is the same as our Year 8 system age wise. Year 9 (age 13/14) They start High school here. NZ Is just introducing Junior High's and Senior High schools here, a couple to be built in my area in the next 3-5 years. Your Daughter's teacher would not have had a job in our schools with those qualifications, well not if the Board of Trustees here had any sense about them. Our school education system here is better than a lot of countries even though a few tweaks need made in a few places imho.	Bantu (52)
614397	2007-11-25 07:42:00	Hmmm....funny reading this after watching that 'are you smarter then a 10 year old' prog:D	rob_on_guitar (4196)
614398	2007-11-25 09:55:00	Hmmm....funny reading this after watching that 'are you smarter then a 10 year old' prog:D :lol: i saw the end today where both the adult and child got a question wrong, ("which of the following 4 books were not written by C.S. Lewis?) the question was difficult unless you knew that authour's works, and after both the contestant and the 10 year old got it wrong, they declared the adult "not as smart as a 10 year old" despite the ten year old not knowing either!:illogical:	motorbyclist (188)
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