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Thread ID: 85530	2007-12-13 08:17:00	Finally a competitor to Trademe???	kronos (13152)	PC World Chat

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620931	2007-12-13 19:19:00	Uh how exactly is he spamming? I've yet to see a URL posted in this thread, therefore I haven't been persuaded, or spammed, to go anyway.	--Wolf-- (128)
620932	2007-12-13 20:07:00	We've seen this before, Bruce explained it. He'll possibly come up with the URL to his own auction site. ;) Jen has banned members for that reason.	pcuser42 (130)
620933	2007-12-13 20:11:00	I think that F1's rigorous policy of deleting spam posts has made some people try and better a bit clever in their approach to avoid this fate (and well, other forums are doing the same thing too). But the simple fact is that anytime anyone registers for F1 apparently solely to suggest there is an alternative out there to some commercial site, or that they've heard of a great new service, etc etc, then their intention 90% of the time turn out to be less than honourable. I may be wrong, in which case apologies to kronos, but based on statistics, it's a fair call .....	Biggles (121)
620934	2007-12-13 20:35:00	We've seen this before, Bruce explained it. He'll possibly come up with the URL to his own auction site. Or more likely, as Bruce also suggested, he's being too clever for his own good and deliberately not posting the URL. So if anyone's fooled by his spiel they'll do a search and hopefully come across his site. If he does this in enough forums he's likely to generate a lot of visits, which even if it doesn't directly increase his customer base, will increase his hits and generate more revenue from his advertisers. And of course if someone does find his site, well then they'll post the url here, so his spamming tactics have a double potential, and he doesn't look like a spammer. It's a seemingly innocuous tactic, but is definitly underhanded and scum like him are one of the scourges of the Internet.	Greg (193)
620935	2007-12-14 03:38:00	My intention for this thread was not to spam or advertise any kind of business made by myself or anyone I know . My Trademe account was disabled as my younger brother was using the website using his own account from the same computer . Apparently Trademe can detect multiple IDs coming from the same IP address . They claim they called the house but I wasn't there to pick it up . Because I've been out of New Zealand the past few weeks . I've sent them an email . It's been 5 days and the only reply I received so far is one of those automated responses . This is the "STUPID" or the "RIDICULOUS" reason I have been claiming about . But the thread was not created to bad mouth TM . I just had a simple question . A friend, an x-boss of mine to be more exact, whom has rather a strong connection with the ecommerce area . Thus, although thinking the information I received was false, somewhere in me wishes for it to be true . I have used Sellmefree, zillion, trademe and oneway . But none can compare to the systems provided by some of the auction sites up in asia . But if what I heard is true and that some asian person tried making this site or have made it, I just wanted to see how it turned out . I use eBay now . Although delivery is a little expensive, there are benefits where I can use the site from anywhere in the world . But I'm not searching for this site because I want to use it . . . . Probably doesn't even have enough item listings to compete against TM . But I believe, if somebody makes a website which contains new systems New Zealanders have never seen before, it could have the potential to compete against TM . Most sites out there are just copies of TM or have just a few more features or perhaps just a cheaper fee . None has the potential of being an competitor . I have read an article few month back where an economic analyst has analized that in order to develop something which will have the potential to compete against TM, estimated sum of $30 million must be invested . The problem, nobody nowdays will ever invest $30 million on a single shopping site . Thus TM will continue to dominate the market share . But he concludes that all business must have a competitor . So I have been looking at various site which could have the potential to be this competitor and thus my question . . . . I couldn't find the site, now believing that it doesn't even exist . I've tried searching nzs . com, I couldn't find it, so I wanted to ask people who use forums to see if they might know anything or have heard anything about it . Because I would have thought that you guys would be more knowledgeable in the areas of network rather than sending criticism . Wouldn't you have done the same? . . . . Ask people if you don't know . . . . So I ask again . . . . . Has anybody else heard of a new (may even be old) shopping site with a . co . nz domain that contains successful systems currently used in Asian shopping sites?	kronos (13152)
620936	2007-12-14 03:52:00	The problem is one of scale and investment. TM gained market share early, solidified its position by doing a good job and by the time some people started to become dissatisfied with its business practices the cost of entry to compete against it had gone right up. It's now owned by Fairfax, who have substantial money they can throw at it if competition requires them to do so. Also, while stories like yours of dissatisfaction with poor service are more common, there is not a general revolt against TM. So as yet a potential competitor hasn't got a real way to wrinkle itself into position. It would take substantial money to compete against TM now - remember your problem with them is a customer service one so a one-man band operation isn't going to cut the mustard - so a potential competitor would have to offer a lot to attract investment. How much point of difference at this stage can a competitor offer that will make investors believe it has a genuine chance of competing against TM and Fairfax? And my apologies kronos for doubting your motives.	Biggles (121)
620937	2007-12-14 04:23:00	thank you for your honest comment Bruce. Good day	kronos (13152)
620938	2007-12-14 04:49:00	Kronos If people did not like TradeMe they would use .... Sellmefree, zillion, trademe or oneway. (Its hard to beat free ! - if Sellmefree is free) And what are these successful systems that the Asian sites use you keep raving on about ? What we really need is a third competitor in mobile phones to get the duopoly incumbents to lower their scandalous charges. Probably need more than $ 30 mill tho. Regards Digby	Digby (677)
620939	2007-12-14 05:52:00	the systems I was talking about is an expanded system of the Buy Now function TM has . In Japan, we also have a system which would be translated to "Group Buying"? What I'm trying to say is that I believe New Zealand (or Trademe) can develop their system furthermore . And if they don't sooner or later, some people are going to come up with something new to New Zealand (may not exactly be able to compete against TM) but the point is that as a NZ residence, I'd like to expect a little more from the eCommerce market in NZ . I strongly agree with Digby's idea of third competitor in the telecommunication market . Although Vodafone provides many of its customers a lower price compared to Telecom, but compare to other nations the price still is "scandalous" . But at lease Vodafone has Telecom, and Telecom has Vodafone to compete with for the prices . On the other hand . . . . . Trademe has nobody . . . . . Simply concluding, Trademe decides on the online market fees . Speaking truthfully, I do not think Trademe is a well constructed site . There are many sites out there which are better . It is just that the potential users are left with almost nil choice but to use TM . And as Bruce has mentioned, it's just that they dominated the market at a early stage and it is now very hard for competitors to enter and compete for business practice for a share of the market . TM is a success, and that is a fact . But I believe someone can come close in the near future . and that is what I'd like to see and is searching for . . .	kronos (13152)
620940	2007-12-14 08:19:00	The problem, nobody nowdays will ever invest $30 million on a single shopping site. Thus TM will continue to dominate the market share. But he concludes that all business must have a competitor. I wouldn't be surprised if Telecom has spent close to that on their Ferrit shopping site. They probably should have tried to compete with TM, as they had the customer base, and the Xtra website used to be the most popular website in NZ a few years ago. Unfortionately they dropped the ball.	robbyp (2751)
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