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Thread ID: 85618	2007-12-16 06:50:00	Do you support Stem Cell Research?	radium (8645)	PC World Chat

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621755	2007-12-19 05:42:00	Maybe I missed it, because that was heavy going, but I believe kenj's question was "what if it could have saved them?" Would you have used the results of stemcell research to effect a different outcome? I dunnow . . . speculation isn't a real test . . . it would have to be an immediate and present decision to be made at the time . One can be very noble when there's just conjecture involved . Ya know . . . there were some (I said "some") medical processes that were perfected in the experiments on the prisoners in the German concentration camps too . . . but I can't really say whether they would be of a benefit to me or not . I tend top believe "not" . As I see it . . there's a lot of medical advances that aren't really as good as they appear on the surface . Medicine calls itself a "practice" as it has no real answers . . just theories that are mostly contingent upon every person reacting in the same way to the same treatment for the same condition . Reality show things just aren't that way at all . I might be fully capable of taking a medicine that might kill another . The inconsistencies are vast and that's why medicine has so many variations on any one medical intervention . . . just for such cases . Don't get me wrong . . . I believe in medical intervention in almost any cases . . but like I also stated, not at the expense of another person's life . . either that of an aborted baby or a miscarriage . I just don't think that's right . . . to think that my life as more important than an unborn infant . That's not normal in my eyes and natural affections would not let me see things differently . Those experiments in the Nazi medical facilities . . even if they were good for the rest of society as far as providing insight into things to not do . . . well, I guess it would be same thing for me to accept medical breakthroughs at the expense of another's death that makes stemcell research so hard to accept . Pretty simple really . . . I don't place my life above another's just to have a few more months/years of life, when that person has given theirs for whatever misconstrued, altruistic and technical reason that advances science or medical abilities . I'll wait for a different breakthrough . . where they can manufacture cells that aren't human derived or are taken from the same person into whom they will be placed . That's a conscience call though . . . I might not even go that far if I think about it more . Right now . . and this is MY conscience here, maybe not anyone else's . . . is that I MIGHT accept corneal transplants if I needed them . . as they are the only tissue in the human body that has no intrinsic blood flow . Prolly not though . .	SurferJoe46 (51)
621756	2007-12-19 05:48:00	I dunnow . . . speculation isn't a real test . . . it would have to be an immediate and present decision to be made at the time . One can be very noble when there's just conjecture involved . Ya know . . . there were some (I said "some") medical processes that were perfected in the experiments on the prisoners in the German concentration camps too . . . but I can't really say whether they would be of a benefit to me or not . I tend top believe "not" . As I see it . . there's a lot of medical advances that aren't really as good as they appear on the surface . Medicine calls itself a "practice" as it has no real answers . . just theories that are mostly contingent upon every person reacting in the same way to the same treatment for the same condition . Reality show things just aren't that way at all . I might be fully capable of taking a medicine that might kill another . The inconsistencies are vast and that's why medicine has so many variations on any one medical intervention . . . just for such cases . Don't get me wrong . . . I believe in medical intervention in almost any cases . . but like I also stated, not at the expense of another person's life . . either that of an aborted baby or a miscarriage . I just don't think that's right . . . to think that my life as more important than an unborn infant . That's not normal in my eyes and natural affections would not let me see things differently . Those experiments in the Nazi medical facilities . . even if they were good for the rest of society as far as providing insight into things to not do . . . well, I guess it would be same thing for me to accept medical breakthroughs at the expense of another's death that makes stemcell research so hard to accept . Pretty simple really . . . I don't place my life above another's just to have a few more months/years of life, when that person has given theirs for whatever misconstrued, altruistic and technical reason that advances science or medical abilities . I'll wait for a different breakthrough . . where they can manufacture cells that aren't human derived or are taken from the same person into whom they will be placed . That's a conscience call though . . . I might not even go that far if I think about it more . Right now . . and this is MY conscience here, maybe not anyone else's . . . is that I MIGHT accept corneal transplants if I needed them . . as they are the only tissue in the human body that has no intrinsic blood flow . Prolly not though . . Fair enough . I'm not going to spout forth either way because I don't know enough about the subject, though I will say I find it bit of a stretch to use stemcell research and Nazi POW camp medical testing in the same post . Anyway . That's that . Hope you well anyway SJ .	allblack (6574)
621757	2007-12-19 05:56:00	Fair enough . I'm not going to spout forth either way because I don't know enough about the subject, though I will say I find it bit of a stretch to use stemcell research and Nazi POW camp medical testing in the same post . Anyway . That's that . Hope you well anyway SJ . Thank-you for the cool-head answer . . I guess it boils down to what we value in life . . . us or them . I was trying to draw a parallel to what I consider both grossly divergent yet somewhat equal disregard for life . . . from the moment of conception in utero or in a full-grown adult in a prison camp . Neither lives are/were regarded as valuable to their destroyers or experimenters . When asked if boys and girls could sleep together without the aid of marriage, a rabbi answered: "I suppose with the changing times and the new morality, I can say unequivocally that it's OK for boys and girls to sleep together without the bonds of marriage . . . . but you boys . . . you don't sleep . " The change in morality and what's acceptable is very fluid . . yet there's still our conscience to bear witness to our actions .	SurferJoe46 (51)
621758	2007-12-19 06:09:00	Thank-you for the cool-head answer . . I guess it boils down to what we value in life . . . us or them . :lol: I've lost my argumentative side . Too many other things to worry about . I understand the parallel . Did I read somehwere you're moving to Arizona? Not enough biting poisonous things in So-Cal for ya?? :p	allblack (6574)
621759	2007-12-19 06:13:00	Yeah..Arizona has some even better nasties..... The only thing I really worry about is NOT getting bitten by trout and bass....	SurferJoe46 (51)
621760	2007-12-19 06:15:00	Any good trout fishing in 'zona? I thought it was Montana or bust!	allblack (6574)
621761	2007-12-19 06:18:00	There's more water there that you can imagine..water water everywhere. The White Mountains are running with melted snowpack right now...and the Winter season is just starting.	SurferJoe46 (51)
621762	2007-12-19 06:19:00	Nice. Can't stand eating the things, but get the truck packed!	allblack (6574)
621763	2007-12-19 06:24:00	There's more water there that you can imagine . . water water everywhere . The White Mountains are running with melted snowpack right now . . . and the Winter season is just starting . John Wayne will come to your rescue,no worries!	Cicero (40)
621764	2007-12-19 06:37:00	I must say, I'm happy with the poll results so far. :thumbs:	radium (8645)
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