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Thread ID: 85618	2007-12-16 06:50:00	Do you support Stem Cell Research?	radium (8645)	PC World Chat

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621745	2007-12-17 19:38:00	Joe said... I would therefor not accept any human stem-cell applications to be implanted into my own body I must ask you, what if your wife, child or grandchild has a disease or condition that could be cured by stem cell researched treatment? Failing that, death would ensue soon. Notice I didn't include you. Your decision to die in this case is stated. However, who are you to make life or death judgements for others? In my lifetime, I have found that morals are stongest in those who need them least. Not picking on you Joe... just asking. Ken	kenj (9738)
621746	2007-12-17 20:29:00	I wouldnt say I support it as I dont know much about it. From what I have heard or read, it cant be that bad. Whats the worst that could happen?	rob_on_guitar (4196)
621747	2007-12-17 20:33:00	Joe said... I would therefor not accept any human stem-cell applications to be implanted into my own body I must ask you, what if your wife, child or grandchild has a disease or condition that could be cured by stem cell researched treatment? Failing that, death would ensue soon. Notice I didn't include you. Your decision to die in this case is stated. However, who are you to make life or death judgements for others? In my lifetime, I have found that morals are strongest in those who need them least. Not picking on you Joe... just asking. Ken Well said Ken,be prepared for a 3 page reply,précis is not in Joes vocab.	Cicero (40)
621748	2007-12-17 20:48:00	Joe said . . . I would therefor not accept any human stem-cell applications to be implanted into my own body I must ask you, what if your wife, child or grandchild has a disease or condition that could be cured by stem cell researched treatment? Failing that, death would ensue soon . Notice I didn't include you . Your decision to die in this case is stated . However, who are you to make life or death judgements for others? In my lifetime, I have found that morals are stongest in those who need them least . Not picking on you Joe . . . just asking . Ken Fair enuff . . . . . I cannot impute morality (mine or someone else's) into other people . . and I choose to not do so here . . . . but in a perfect world I would strongly advise against any form of cannibalism . . . righteously, legally and ethically declared or not . I imagine I can preach MY morality though . Many times there are scientific breakthroughs that seem to be good for all and one . . and to those I do not have any quibble nor can I point an accusatory finger . Things like cures for Smallpox, measles (Rubella), poliomyelitis; surgical procedures (read: "The Night They Burned The Mountain" about the first open heart surgery . . . I cried) are all well and very good . I don't want to digress to religio-medical-social bartering here . . but I must state that I would prefer to NOT add to the considerable weight of what is offered as something that's good for the human race as the only deciding factor . Hitler tried it . Idi Amin tried it . There are other famous and infamous ones who tried it too . I answer to a much higher authority that I don't consider debatable here . . . it has happened here (F1) in the past and it got really REALLY nasty . My stand therefor as an adult for- and in- the interest of my children fortunately never became an issue . It could have . . . if time and unforeseen circumstances had happened . . . but thankfully it didn't . In rapid sequence, I lost my mother (Nov 11th-'91) my wife (Feb 28th-'92) and my oldest son (Feb 28th-'93), and yet these stemcell issues were not then nor could even now be at the fore . I don't see how having stemcell research . . . even if it had become a moot and endorsed issue by the time of their collective demise . . could have become a factor in their life-enhancement and longevity . I hopefully pray that no-one has to face such a critical issue in their own time . . either for themselves or a cherished one . I just see little value in- or need for- the demise of another person . . either not-yet-born or partially born . . . to provide the palliative or potion for someone else to live . That's an ugly picture . That's a selfish picture . It doesn't honor anyone who would do so . Sometimes advances in medicine and technology actually create a lot of hurt and pain as there is now a new process that . . even if it's not highly debatable as is this issue . . . is causing a lot of Monday-after quarterbacking . Now parents and loved ones are asking: "What did I do or NOT do that would have made things better?" "What medical breakthrough did I net find/see/utilize or know about?" We can beat ourselves raw in mental gymnastics . . and now we have even more cudgels to use . Being a lot cynical here: maybe medicine should limit itself to dentistry and shoe repair . It sure would make things a lot easier .	SurferJoe46 (51)
621749	2007-12-17 22:06:00	Joe said . . . I would therefor not accept any human stem-cell applications to be implanted into my own body I must ask you, what if your wife, child or grandchild has a disease or condition that could be cured by stem cell researched treatment? Failing that, death would ensue soon . Notice I didn't include you . Your decision to die in this case is stated . However, who are you to make life or death judgments for others? In my lifetime, I have found that morals are strongest in those who need them least . SurferJoe is a Jehovah's Witness, a religious cult who routinely refuse medical treatment for their children, particularly blood transfusions, and often (though this seems to vary from member to member) organ transplants . They have huge legal resources devoted to fighting for the right to refuse medical treatment through the courts . If a JW is admitted to hospital, sometimes a team of JW's trained in how to deal with medical staff will from a vigil at their bedside to ensure blood transfusions are not administered . Many Jehovah's Witness parents have murdered their children by denying them life-saving medical treatment in order to conform to the rules of the Watchtower Publishing Corporation . Imagine a parent sitting beside the hospital bed of their dying child, preventing the medical staff that are trying to save them from doing their job, and watching the child die, convinced that they have pleased their God . This is not an exaggeration, they really do this . Try asking the smiling Watchtower sellers about that the next time they knock on your door .	Mackin_NZ (6958)
621750	2007-12-17 22:51:00	Maybe a good time to stop this thread. I can see it deteriorating. Ken :2cents: x5 Merry Christmas to you all... even to any Grinches out there.	kenj (9738)
621751	2007-12-18 17:16:00	SurferJoe is a Jehovah's Witness, a religious cult who routinely ... blah blab blah ...You may just be a hinge short of a full door, mate. Try getting your facts right before sprouting bull-plop.	Greg (193)
621752	2007-12-18 19:39:00	Maybe a good time to stop this thread. I can see it deteriorating. Ken :2cents: x5 Merry Christmas to you all... even to any Grinches out there. Any other instructions while you are at it?	Cicero (40)
621753	2007-12-19 04:39:00	You may just be a hinge short of a full door, mate. Try getting your facts right before sprouting bull-plop. I expected a reply like this from you. Which facts have i got wrong exactly? Do tell.	Mackin_NZ (6958)
621754	2007-12-19 04:54:00	My stand therefor as an adult for- and in- the interest of my children fortunately never became an issue. It could have...if time and unforeseen circumstances had happened...but thankfully it didn't. Maybe I missed it, because that was heavy going, but I believe kenj's question was "what if it could have saved them?" Would you have used the results of stemcell research to effect a different outcome?	allblack (6574)
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