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Thread ID: 86111	2008-01-03 23:55:00	How Much Garlic Is Enough?...Too Much?	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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627313	2008-01-04 19:47:00	I've got a big pottle of crushed garlic I bought from the supermarket, but it doesn't have the same flavour as the bulbs. Bottled Garlic? :mad: I ought to slap you right where you are!	bob_doe_nz (92)
627314	2008-01-04 19:52:00	I've got a big pottle of crushed garlic I bought from the supermarket, but it doesn't have the same flavour as the bulbs. The crushed garlic (same with crushed ginger) probably won't have the same flavour as the fresh and more pungent item. Check the label, I think it would need other products added to preserve it. I don't have a pottle here to check this out.	Marnie (4574)
627315	2008-01-04 19:59:00	Bottled Garlic? :mad: I ought to slap you right where you are!Oops! I also use bottled garlic and ginger in some dishes. :blush:	Greg (193)
627316	2008-01-04 21:14:00	I grow my own garlic, and I tend to get smaller bulbs, apparently though thats par for the couse in Invers, starting to think seriously about elephant garlic although it is supposed to be much less pungent I also peel all my smallest cloves and put them in old jam jar and fill the jar with oil and use the oil for flavouring if i want a mild flavour over a salad	Morgenmuffel (187)
627317	2008-01-04 22:56:00	SurferJoe - I'd be interested to know, if you know, what did the native American Indians use to use to supplement their diet of buffalo meat? (in those days of course before the herds were destroyed). I just been watching a NatGeo programme on the revival of the bison herds in North America and it got me thinking... how come those Indians, as well as the far North Inuits, survive so well on so much meat and so little veg and fruit? Perhaps you have some insight?	Greg (193)
627318	2008-01-04 23:27:00	SurferJoe - I'd be interested to know, if you know, what did the native American Indians use to use to supplement their diet of buffalo meat? (in those days of course before the herds were destroyed). I just been watching a NatGeo programme on the revival of the bison herds in North America and it got me thinking... how come those Indians, as well as the far North Inuits, survive so well on so much meat and so little veg and fruit? Perhaps you have some insight?I'm sure Joe will jump in here to correct me if I'm wrong (hey, he'll probably jump in anyway, with enough facts to sink a battleship! He's a Wiki of his own that boy!) From my recollection of a Social Studies module I did in school about a million years ago (well, 30-odd, anyway) on the Indians of the Great Plains, they were pretty much agrarian - hunter/gatherers. The meat from the bison was supplemental and they only killed what they could eat, or dry to eat later. Plus, like venison, I would imagine free-range, wild bison to be pretty lean in comparison to our current-day domesticated cattle-beasts, and the Indian lifestyle was pretty physical... It was the coming of the White Man in the 1800's that did the bison in (big bore rifles and repeating rifles have it over bows and arrows for convenience and killing power).	johcar (6283)
627319	2008-01-04 23:41:00	en.wikipedia.org economy The Inuit, or Eskimo, prepared and buried large amounts of dried meat and fish. Pacific Northwest tribes crafted seafaring dugouts 40–50 feet long for fishing. Farmers in the Eastern Woodlands tended fields of maize with hoes and digging sticks, while their neighbors in the Southeast grew tobacco as well as food crops. On the Plains, some tribes engaged in agriculture but also planned buffalo hunts in which herds were efficiently driven over bluffs. Dwellers of the Southwest deserts hunted small animals and gathered acorns to grind into flour with which they baked wafer-thin bread on top of heated stones. Some groups on the region's mesas developed irrigation techniques, and filled storehouses with grain as protection against the area's frequent droughts. As these native peoples encountered European explorers and settlers and engaged in trade, they exchanged food, crafts, and furs for trinkets, blankets, iron, and steel implements, horses, firearms, and alcoholic beverages. Bison were hunted almost to extinction in the 19th century and were reduced to a few hundred by the mid-1880s. The main reason they were hunted was for their skins, with the rest of the animal left behind to decay on the ground.[3] After the animals rotted, their bones were collected and shipped back east in large quantities. [4] Claims that there was a government initiative to starve the population of the Plains Indian by killing off their main food source--the bison--have been made. The Government promoted bison hunting for various reasons: to allow ranchers to range their cattle without competition from other bovines, to weaken the Indian population and pressure them to remain on reservations, and for the safety of the railroad industry.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
627320	2008-01-04 23:42:00	SurferJoe - I'd be interested to know, if you know, what did the native American Indians use to use to supplement their diet of buffalo meat? (in those days of course before the herds were destroyed) . I just been watching a NatGeo programme on the revival of the bison herds in North America and it got me thinking . . . how come those Indians, as well as the far North Inuits, survive so well on so much meat and so little veg and fruit? Perhaps you have some insight? First . . . let me say that the first few lines here are pure lies . . . I'll get to that in a minute . . . Here's a C/P for you: The American Indian Diet, Weight Factors Indians are among our most skilled hunters and gatherers . Whatever was taken from the land, rendered little waste . Indians took only what was needed, and it was customary to reserve some of the animal as an offering to ensure that hunting would continue to be prosperous . Some of the staple foods found in the American Indian diet included: corn, wild rice, roots, berries, seeds, nuts, wild game, fish, buffalo, deer and wild boar . Plants such as dandelions, milkweed, lambs quarter watercress and young tender fiddleheads were also a big part of the early American Indian's diet . Sweetening powers were provided by wild honey and the sap of sugar maples . Fish and meat were often dried to be eaten at a later date . Another mode of cooking was roasting over an open fire . The types of Indian food available would depend on the location of the tribe . In all cases hunting, fishing or growing their food Native Americans maximize every part of the animal or plant . In this way environmentalism is actually built into the Native American culture and diet . Maximizing every part of an animal or plant includes using bones for fertilizer and needles, using furs for clothing and in all cases using every part possible for nutritional value . Location is the key . For example a tribe in Oregon or Washington would hunt deer and Bear as well as gather wild berries . In the Northwest fish would also be a major staple . Salmon is an important part of the Indian diet . Salmon can be eaten fresh, dried and smoked for the winter . In a majority of cases Native Americans maximize agriculture by growing a variety of Vegetable and root based foods . Whatever could grow easily and produce a good yield would be grown . Perhaps one of the best groups of Indian food is called the three sisters . The three sisters consisted of corn, squash and beans . These three Indian foods were favorite crops of the Iroquois Indians based in New York . American Indian food has spread into cultures around the world . Many old-time recipes have been adapted from Indian food and continue to be favorites today . Next time you have venison stew think about it . I've got no qualms with the bones, sinews and meat part . . . but there was a darker side to the so-called first green people that isn't taught in schools or even spoken of in dark corners . Whole herds of Bison (Buffalo to youse guys) would be driven off cliffs and into ravines just to get a few heads for meat . There would be thousands of dead and mortally wounded, dying animals left to stink and rot for the sake of a few hamburgers or robes . The wasteful stench would make the whole valley non-inhabitable for months . There have been excavations that proved this happened . Forests would be set ablaze to drive smaller animals out into the open where ineffective arrows and spears would be used to try to down them . Most often the animals, wounded and crippled would wander off into cover to die while bleeding to death in great pain and agony . Blood trails were not likely chased down and the loss of viable food and animals so wasted would sicken you to see the wholesale wantonness . Vast grasslands would be set afire to force ground-cover type animals into the open the same way . . . and the Indians didn't have fire departments to stop the conflagration . . . it burned until it ran out of fuel or to the ocean or a river . The weapons of the Indians were mostly ineffectual against larger game . . spears and arrows didn't usually kill anything and the beast would lumber off to die in seclusion . Yup . . the great white buffalo lady is a myth . . and if she got married, she'd be a mythissis . :groan:	SurferJoe46 (51)
627321	2008-01-04 23:56:00	Thx Rob and Joe. Gives me a better insight.	Greg (193)
627322	2008-01-05 16:20:00	Thx Rob and Joe . Gives me a better insight . I'd also like to point out that the European settlers had a great, if not greater hand in the wholesale destruction of whole herds of game animals . Visitors would ride in open windowed train cars, picking off Buffalo with their Sharps Rifles and just leaving the animals to die, littering the plains of the West . Even seated presidents, royalty and Grand Poobahs from Middle Eastern countries would cash in on the shooting gallery afforded by the vastness and seemingly never-ending supply of hoofed targets . Morally, they were all bankrupt, but don't paint the poor lil Indian as a shining light in the morass of murderous humans . Everyone is guilty . . . everyone had a chance to do things correctly . . but they to this day still do not . It's kinda like eating foods which may or may not be good for you: . . . . . . . . . . . almost anything in conservative amounts is OK . . just don't overindulge .	SurferJoe46 (51)
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