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Thread ID: 145331	2017-10-02 14:54:00	Shooter In Las Vegas	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1440069	2017-10-03 06:26:00	Oh the favourite statement made by the gun psychos in the US, Tell me what else you use a gun for., Here in NZ people get run over, bashed, stabbed, hit with objects. All of which are normally used for other purposes. Sure we have a few gun deaths, but nothing like the US. Remember their laws, it is OK, and not news to shoot someone who stood on your doorstep or walked in or such. Never mind if they had bad intentions or not. Even if shot 8 times and the intruder is unarmed. Guns have no other purpose at all other than killing something. Any gun other than a standard rifles has no other use except killing people specifically. The stats are per population, not household remember....so many have multiple guns for one person plus some kids. It's mad. Ducks mainly, if it flies it dies.	prefect (6291)
1440070	2017-10-03 19:23:00	Ducks mainly, if it flies it dies. You don't kill ducks with pistols, automatic weapons and high powered rifles. I did mention that....	pctek (84)
1440071	2017-10-03 21:42:00	A few answers and a lot more questions (some pic's may offend) www.zerohedge.com	Lawrence (2987)
1440072	2017-10-03 22:03:00	I think the percentages would be the same..... if 60% of NZ population was compared to 60% of US population, and 60% represented the firearm owners, the actual numbers of owners would be vastly different. Therein maybe the incidence rate in per capita numbers would pencil out. I own what I own for protection against grizzly bears, black bears, brown bears, bears of all kinds really, or wolves and/or mooses. I have had too many bear incidences lately when I am trout fishing. If I can't outrun 'em, I'm gonna shoot 'em. I'll go down shooting like they did in Men In Black. Ya see......bears can run 30-35 MPH and I can't. At 200 feet away, a charging bear will be on you in less than 4 trigger pulls .......IF you can find your pistol, that is..... quickly enough. One needs serious knock-down power, which a 10mm has...... in spades. A cross-chest/cross-draw holster with a 10mm Glock Model 29, 5th Gen with a 16 count clip and 1 in the chamber of 260gr, 1100 fps hardened lead, semi-jacketed, copper clad, super-vel rounds will knock a medium-sized 400 lb bear flat on their back. A bigger bear might require a couple more rounds to knock them down..... and then you can move in for the coup-de-grace. (sp? .... my Spell Chunker let that go, so it may be spelled right!). I double-tap a pistol as a rule, so bullets hit in pairs. My intention here would be to have 16 rounds, less than 6 inches behind each other hitting any bear..... or wolf..... or Mr. Mooses. Really though, I'm getting rid of almost everything else, especially my M1 Garand 7.62mm, most of my shotguns and a few pistols, as they don't really suit my needs. I don't hunt.... I fish.... which should not be a contact sport! Tell that to the bears and the deer though...... but they don't read the signs along the roads. My M1 Garand Tanker is just too too powerful, and since I have a few thousand army surplus, armor piercing rounds, I can't be sure not to accidentally kill 5 or 6 people further down the road or in the next county. My .38 Special and my .357 Mag make neat holes in a bear, but unless they hit something vital, you're warm lunch on-the-hoof to any bear. Mr. MOOSE will rip you up and although he doesn't eat you, you are just smeared around the site where you and he met. .22s are for target plinking, gopher and prairie dog control.... and I'll keep my Remington Olympic Medalist .22. A .22 would only make a bear very angry too. Nix that! I have a 16 gauge single action, break down shotgun that I'll keep because my dad gave gave it to me 60 years ago. I have a 1776 Navy .44cal cap-n-ball, black powder pistol replica that I'll keep for the fun of lots of smoke and thunder and little else. I guess it might scare a bear though. My wife carries a S&W .38 Chief's Special, Model 60, stainless steel 5-shot revolver in her purse as a finishing weapon should she hit a large animal on the road. It happens here a lot! She has it loaded with virgin Remington 167gr Super Vel, semi-jacket hollow points. She also sometimes packs has a Model 1911 .45 cal US Military (Picatinny Arsenal) semi-auto pistol too.... and she has several thousand rounds under her belt from her first husband's insistence as he was a watch commander in the police in Xxxxxxxx, California. She "carried" his backup firearm when they were together, out as a non-police, off duty couple She is very firearm savy. Deer around here are like mice everywhere else. They are found dead on the sides of the highways here....sometimes 8 or 10 to the mile during the rut. There's also a lot of headlights, windshields, fenders and skid marks too. Oh.... and I have a US Navy 4-gauge, 26.5mm Very Pistol with about 30 red star shells that I'll keep. One never knows when one will be lost at sea. No Magnum 44? (as discussed vs 10m in this firing arm forum (thefiringline.com) for use against a bear)That's the closest when I first saw a gun back in "73/74 - albeit in a movie - when Clint Eastwood's opened up his movie displaying and firing - what he says - the most powerful handgun in the movie Magum Force (www.youtube.com) (movie opening). Bit of a scare on full sized screen and what with hand held seeming rare in NZ at the time. What's worrying though - peoples mindsets and hence their mental states can change (worsen) over the years, and if a gun owner, can lead to tragic shooting incidents. Don't the FBI do regular checks on gun owners, or enforce owners to re-register firearms? And to evaluate them to revoke licences?or FBI evaluate/access Psychiatrist/Doctors database if alerted somehow, for gun owners?	kahawai chaser (3545)
1440073	2017-10-04 00:17:00	BTW: machine guns are federally prohibited in the US. Machine Guns may well be prohibited, but one can legally buy a civilian version of the M16 Armalite Infantry rifle, which is a magazine fed semi automatic. It is not beyond the skill of anyone with a modicum of metalworking skills to modify the weapon to fire continuously, if they cannot find a source for the part to convert the weapons back to fully automatic. One used to be able to convert the British 7.62 SLR to the FN automatic standard with no more than a flat file taken to the trigger sear with reasonable care and skill. There is no justification for the sale of military style weapons to the general public. They do not have either a sporting or rational target shooting application. Surely it is not beyond the wit of American politicians to ban the sale of Military style weapons be they semi- automatic or fully automatic, and make their possession a felony. A simple period of Amnesty such as has been used in Australia and NZ would ensure their is no injustice to the innocent and law abiding.	KenESmith (6287)
1440074	2017-10-04 02:59:00	BTW: machine guns are federally prohibited in the US . <snipity, snip> There is no justification for the sale of military style weapons to the general public . They do not have either a sporting or rational target shooting application . Surely it is not beyond the wit of American politicians to ban the sale of Military style weapons be they semi- automatic or fully automatic, and make their possession a felony . A simple period of Amnesty such as has been used in Australia and NZ would ensure their is no injustice to the innocent and law abiding . There may be some truth in the draw to military style weapons as being irrational . I might also blame it on the first-shooter video games where there are some mighty wicked looking weapons used . Still - and don't get me wrong here since I don't really own any of the things about which you speak - but I see these rifles all the time here in Montana - most are on rifle racks in pickup trucks and a few are openly carried - loaded in the public places like libraries and supermarkets . Incidentally ---> shootings aren't happening here - although there may be a partnership in marriage estrangements once in a while that goes to guns and bloodshed . The amnesty about which you speak is not going to make it since if it does come about - there will be some junk guns and Saturday Night Specials that wind up in the heap by gang members trying to assuage the press and Dems - but the real weapons are never gonna see that pile unless they are seized in a raid or a gang war gone bad scenario . So --- after it is done - only criminals will have weapons and the legally-living and obeying greater public would be stripped of theirs? I don't think so, Al . What about all the illegals - oops, "Lost Tourists" that have guns? It's against the federal laws for an alien - registered as a naturalized citizen/resident alien or not - to own a concealable weapon . That includes pistols, short barrel "Street Sweeper" duckbill shot guns and cut down rifles, etc . They may own and carry - unloaded of course - in public - a shotgun that has a barrel longer than 36" (36 multiples of The King's Royal Nose! You betchum!) . IOW they may not have any projectile firing weapon - it must be pelleted shot! Not even slugs! What about those laws? Why aren't THEY being enforced? Nope . . . . . . write MORE LAWS that cannot and will not be enforced, obeyed nor liked by almost anyone . It's a logic-thing as I see it . I do not want to be perceived as going against "The Establishment" . As I see it, it is a futile proposition at best, and dirty pool at the worst mentality . I can see right & wrong - and I can say "That's wrong on many levels" but I am not the one to enforce . . . . . nor disobey them . I enjoy my weapons - I don't shoot them as much as I want to - ammo is EXPENSIVE since 911 . Some shells are over $6 USD each to fire . Just to fuel the raging fire here - there are hunters using 50cal hunting 'rifles' to take bighorn sheep at 1 mile or more .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1440075	2017-10-04 04:24:00	BTW: machine guns are federally prohibited in the US. Machine Guns may well be prohibited, but one can legally buy a civilian version of the M16 Armalite Infantry rifle, which is a magazine fed semi automatic. It is not beyond the skill of anyone with a modicum of metalworking skills to modify the weapon to fire continuously, if they cannot find a source for the part to convert the weapons back to fully automatic. One used to be able to convert the British 7.62 SLR to the FN automatic standard with no more than a flat file taken to the trigger sear with reasonable care and skill. There is no justification for the sale of military style weapons to the general public. They do not have either a sporting or rational target shooting application. Surely it is not beyond the wit of American politicians to ban the sale of Military style weapons be they semi- automatic or fully automatic, and make their possession a felony. A simple period of Amnesty such as has been used in Australia and NZ would ensure their is no injustice to the innocent and law abiding. A matchstick is all that is required on the SLR saw it in action at the Vernon range	prefect (6291)
1440076	2017-10-04 04:26:00	There may be some truth in the draw to military style weapons as being irrational. I might also blame it on the first-shooter video games where there are some mighty wicked looking weapons used. Still - and don't get me wrong here since I don't really own any of the things about which you speak - but I see these rifles all the time here in Montana - most are on rifle racks in pickup trucks and a few are openly carried - loaded in the public places like libraries and supermarkets. Incidentally ---> shootings aren't happening here - although there may be a partnership in marriage estrangements once in a while that goes to guns and bloodshed. The amnesty about which you speak is not going to make it since if it does come about - there will be some junk guns and Saturday Night Specials that wind up in the heap by gang members trying to assuage the press and Dems - but the real weapons are never gonna see that pile unless they are seized in a raid or a gang war gone bad scenario. So --- after it is done - only criminals will have weapons and the legally-living and obeying greater public would be stripped of theirs? I don't think so, Al. What about all the illegals - oops, "Lost Tourists" that have guns? It's against the federal laws for an alien - registered as a naturalized citizen/resident alien or not - to own a concealable weapon. That includes pistols, short barrel "Street Sweeper" duckbill shot guns and cut down rifles, etc. They may own and carry - unloaded of course - in public - a shotgun that has a barrel longer than 36" (36 multiples of The King's Royal Nose! You betchum!). IOW they may not have any projectile firing weapon - it must be pelleted shot! Not even slugs! What about those laws? Why aren't THEY being enforced? Nope...... write MORE LAWS that cannot and will not be enforced, obeyed nor liked by almost anyone. It's a logic-thing as I see it. I do not want to be perceived as going against "The Establishment". As I see it, it is a futile proposition at best, and dirty pool at the worst mentality. I can see right & wrong - and I can say "That's wrong on many levels" but I am not the one to enforce ..... nor disobey them. I enjoy my weapons - I don't shoot them as much as I want to - ammo is EXPENSIVE since 911. Some shells are over $6 USD each to fire. Just to fuel the raging fire here - there are hunters using 50cal hunting 'rifles' to take bighorn sheep at 1 mile or more. Joe you dont need to apologize for US gun laws, I wish we had them here.	prefect (6291)
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