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| Thread ID: 144340 | 2017-09-19 06:12:00 | And this lot want to run the country! | B.M. (505) | PC World Chat |
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| 1439364 | 2017-09-21 02:18:00 | And while I’m having a *****, which Party is going to put an end to this nonsense. These days the majority of those employed have to undergo a Drug Test prior to employment and randomly thereafter. That’s fine, the Government then takes Taxes from these workers and gives it to the lazy layabout bludgers, who in turn sit at home doing drugs. So which Party is going to Drug Test the unemployed before there is any Dole money paid out? :confused: I can easily tell you what parties wont do that :Labour, Greens :) Ive never thought of it like that. I cant get stoned when at work, many can no longer get stoned ever again(work drug tests) So why should those on the benefit be allowed to ? If they can afford to buy drugs, then they are getting paid to much benefit money. They'll just buy booze instead . |
1101 (13337) | ||
| 1439365 | 2017-09-21 03:04:00 | I can easily tell you what parties wont do that :Labour, Greens :) Ive never thought of it like that. I cant get stoned when at work, many can no longer get stoned ever again(work drug tests) So why should those on the benefit be allowed to ? If they can afford to buy drugs, then they are getting paid to much benefit money. They'll just buy booze instead . You have a point 1101. So let’s fix that, we’ll give them Food Vouchers instead of money. Let’s see how many cans of baked beans equals a gram of “P” with the local dealer. :) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1439366 | 2017-09-21 03:22:00 | These days the majority of those employed have to undergo a Drug Test prior to employment and randomly thereafter. the Government then takes Taxes from these workers and gives it to the lazy layabout bludgers, who in turn sit at home doing drugs. What ****. Plenty of people don't get tested, the entire medical staff for instance. Not one of them, ever. As for beneficiaries sitting home doing drugs, with what money? My brother is one of these beneficiaries actually. He is on Supported Living, previosuly called Invalids. He is IHC, has epilepsy, Dupuytren's contracture and is nearly blind now too. He has never taken any drug other than prescribed medication, and the odd beer. Not even nicotine. This is the case for most you know, or some who find themselves between jobs and MUST apply for work, and have drug tests..... Sure there a very few who might collect and commit crimes meanwhile, but actually a few gang member relatives of someone I knew (himself not part of it) they didn't bother with WINZ at all, they didn't have to. They made enough off the crime. This is the sort of **** Trump does, makes crap up without knowing any such facts. Get real, most people don't want to have anything to do with WINZ at all. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1439367 | 2017-09-21 03:53:00 | What ****. Plenty of people don't get tested, the entire medical staff for instance. Not one of them, ever. As for beneficiaries sitting home doing drugs, with what money? My brother is one of these beneficiaries actually. He is on Supported Living, previosuly called Invalids. He is IHC, has epilepsy, Dupuytren's contracture and is nearly blind now too. He has never taken any drug other than prescribed medication, and the odd beer. Not even nicotine. This is the case for most you know, or some who find themselves between jobs and MUST apply for work, and have drug tests..... Sure there a very few who might collect and commit crimes meanwhile, but actually a few gang member relatives of someone I knew (himself not part of it) they didn't bother with WINZ at all, they didn't have to. They made enough off the crime. This is the sort of **** Trump does, makes crap up without knowing any such facts. Get real, most people don't want to have anything to do with WINZ at all. Well said. |
KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1439368 | 2017-09-21 04:07:00 | What ****. Plenty of people don't get tested, the entire medical staff for instance. Not one of them, ever. As for beneficiaries sitting home doing drugs, with what money? My brother is one of these beneficiaries actually. He is on Supported Living, previosuly called Invalids. He is IHC, has epilepsy, Dupuytren's contracture and is nearly blind now too. He has never taken any drug other than prescribed medication, and the odd beer. Not even nicotine. This is the case for most you know, or some who find themselves between jobs and MUST apply for work, and have drug tests..... Sure there a very few who might collect and commit crimes meanwhile, but actually a few gang member relatives of someone I knew (himself not part of it) they didn't bother with WINZ at all, they didn't have to. They made enough off the crime. This is the sort of **** Trump does, makes crap up without knowing any such facts. Get real, most people don't want to have anything to do with WINZ at all. I said The Majority of workers get tested and the medical staff you quote are not the majority. And who said anything about Invalids? They are certainly not the target or the problem. It’s the perfectly healthy bludgers that are the target, and trying to excuse them by saying they’ll make it out of crime is plain nonsense. We can spend some of the money we save on expanding the Police Force and round them up too. However, I do like you comparing me to Trump. You’re Fired! :) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1439369 | 2017-09-21 04:17:00 | Like Trump, you can be an amazing... wally. :) | KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1439370 | 2017-09-21 04:30:00 | Also remember, it is said that he had a mental age of around 10. He has that in common with most voters. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 1439371 | 2017-09-21 04:51:00 | Let us put things into some sort of perspective, shall we ? Benefit fraud is said to be around $40 million, taxation fraud is around $1 billion. There are numerous references, eg. www.radionz.co.nz www.stuff.co.nz etc etc (so no need to go into more detail...........) ........with benefit fraud being more harshly targeted and with more prosecutions concerning far smaller sums of money. I suspect the culture of lying we have seen from government over the last nine years has rubbed off more on those wealthy enough and clever enough to perpetrate tax fraud than those with a mental age of 10 :banana :waughh: |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1439372 | 2017-09-21 06:57:00 | Let us put things into some sort of perspective, shall we ? Benefit fraud is said to be around $40 million, taxation fraud is around $1 billion. There are numerous references, eg. www.radionz.co.nz www.stuff.co.nz etc etc (so no need to go into more detail...........) ........with benefit fraud being more harshly targeted and with more prosecutions concerning far smaller sums of money. I suspect the culture of lying we have seen from government over the last nine years has rubbed off more on those wealthy enough and clever enough to perpetrate tax fraud than those with a mental age of 10 :banana :waughh: So are you saying that one form of Theft excuses another form of Theft? And if what the Media reports is correct, what are the Authorities doing to recover the money? From where I stand both matters need to be addressed with vigour. But from the Taxation point of view, I attended a function many years ago and got to speak with the then Commissioner of Inland Revenue and the matter of Tax Evasion verse Tax Avoidance, (one being Illegal and the other legal), was raised. He said at times the Statutes/Regulations were so poorly written they had to take matters to Court to get a directive. Then, just to put the icing on the cake, there was a Judge (Sinclair I think but don’t quote me) who made the statement that “It was every mans duty to avoid paying tax”. Sir Michael Fay certainly had a good understanding of this, read “Wine Box inquiry”. :) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1439373 | 2017-09-21 07:29:00 | Oh Terry I forgot to mention that all this took place under a Labour Government . The Magnum Transaction The transaction at the centre of the Winebox Inquiry was known as the “Magnum” transaction . In fact the documents in the winebox outlined more than 60 different transactions involving a range of parties . In September 1986 a European Pacific Investments subsidiary based in New Zealand lent money to another subsidiary based in the Cook Islands . Withholding taxes of $2 million on that loan were paid to the Cook Islands Tax Office, and a tax certificate for that sum was duly issued . European Pacific presented this certificate to the tax office in New Zealand, and as there was no further New Zealand tax to pay, paid a dividend to an investor, called Magnum, a brewery . In the Cook Islands, another member of the EPI group received a financial benefit from the Cook Islands government, and simultaneously forgave a loan to the government . The net effect: one EPI company received a benefit of $850,000 from the Cook Islands government, and yet another subsidiary received a New Zealand tax credit of $2 million . HERE ( . wikipedia . org/wiki/Winebox_Inquiry" target="_blank">en . wikipedia . org) |
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