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Thread ID: 100842 2009-06-22 10:45:00 Email woes, what the heck is going on here??? Billy T (70) Press F1
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784774 2009-06-26 23:39:00 I think your Orcon sending problems is to do with Xtra not allowing sending through their SMTP server with a domain name as the From address unless you authenticate this with one of their procedures.
In other words you are trying to send through smtp.xtra.co.nz using an email address in the From Field such as a domain name that is not something @xtra.co.nz

Thanks Safari, that makes perfect sense. My Orcon email address is 'my name@my domain.co.nz'

I'll read, absorb, and experiment. My knowledge is severely lacking in the area of ISP protocols etc because I've never had to think about them, and to be truthful I was totally unaware that Orcon's server might or even could take technical issue with an Xtra customer using an Orcon hosted domain name.

Why it should all stop working just because of a reinstall using all the original settings is a bit baffling, but I'm more interested in getting it going than understanding the technicalities.

Hopefully I'm on the home straight!

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :thumbs:
Billy T (70)
784775 2009-06-27 00:01:00 Just to clarify it is not the Orcon server, you are sending mail through the Xtra smtp server.
It is the Xtra outgoing server that has an issue with your Orcon hosted domain name.

You would not have this problem if your broadband connection was with another ISP, it is just an Xtra/Yahoo issue.
Safari (3993)
784776 2009-06-27 01:04:00 Well, with cautious optimism I think I can safely say that all my email issues are now resolved.

In the final analysis, all I had to do was replace smtp.orcon etc with smtp.xtra which is incredibly ironic because the latter was the setting I used when I first set up my domain 10+ years ago. At that time it was rejected because it was 'relaying' so I'm not quite sure what has changed to now make this acceptable.

Incidentally, I was not sending business (orcon) email though the Xtra server, both the pop3 and smtp were orcon addresses (which looks like relaying to me since Xtra is my ISP).

I am eternally grateful for the kind assistance offered by all contributors to this thread. Even the responses that did not fix it were helpful because they eliminated options and helped me focus on the key issue, and I've learned a lot besides!

I needed to know this now as well, because I will be getting a new computer soon (when I get back to invoicing clients) and I would have struck the self same problem again for sure when setting that one up.

Question on the next problem follows shortly. :D

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :thanks:thanks:thanks
Billy T (70)
784777 2009-06-27 02:14:00 Stone the crows Billy, that issue was addressed in the first page of this thread.
We assumed you you had checked the smtp set to xtra for both accounts

Xtra:
pop3 server: pop3.xtra.co.nz
smtp server: smtp.xtra.co.nz - no SSL or authentication

Orcon:
pop3 server: mail.orcon.net.nz (possibly pop3.orcon.net.nz if you have a domain with them, not sure on this.)
smtp server: smtp.xtra.co.nz - no SSL or authentication
Safari (3993)
784778 2009-06-27 06:40:00 I think I took that as a typo Safari :blush: because I had a hard copy record in my file about the original change I had to make to smtp.orcon for a relaying error or some such. Consequently it was recorded in my set-up log that I keep for the computer to help me recover from such disasters and I simply restored to the previously working values. I had no reason to believe they were wrong because they'd worked fine for many years.

It seems almost like Orcon were just lurking waiting for me to drop off the page, then they wouldn't let me back again. It is all too coincidental that everything was working just fine until I reinstalled and set up again with the same settings as before, then Orcon ceased to work.

The other problem with the tick was my own stupid fault. I read that setting to suggest that if Outlook was running when a message came in it would download it immediately, bypassing Mailwasher which I use to screen all incoming and delete at the server anything I don't know or like.

I tell you, it's a good job I haven't chewed through my restraints or I'd have slaughtered some poor innocent by now.

Still, I scored a good win by recovering my hundreds of bookmarks and did that fairly quickly too, so I'm not quite as embarrassed as I might have been by my email blue.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :xmouth:
Billy T (70)
784779 2009-06-27 07:17:00 It's good to see B has mastered the art of convolution. Cicero (40)
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