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| Thread ID: 86817 | 2008-01-29 22:42:00 | School leaving age | JJJJJ (528) | PC World Chat |
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| 635245 | 2008-01-31 03:37:00 | Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying poor students are bad students??? I hope Im wrong . . . Also to be realistic, not every student is the same . As you metioned you got thanks and you got blame, what could have been done to the ones that complained or whatever? Its a toughy and a serious alternative is needed, raising the age is not one of them, the prime dog will loose a few thousand votes over that one I hope . Yep you're wrong - or I am!! By poor I was referring to their academic ability not their financial state . Bit of a strange query that one . I myself remember when poor did always refer to their financial state . Then we went all politically correct and the poor sods had no longer to be referred to as "poor" There I go again - getting confused . What can be done? Well I don't know the complete answer but our alternative maths that I ran for the 5th form for years was part answer . We gave the students (surely we should call them pupils!), a simple maths test first . Then we discussed the results and for about a week would concentrate on improving them . After that they had almost an identical test - different numbers only . They would be extremely chuffed at their improvement . No trig or complex algebra of course but good useful everyday maths . It was extremely wearing on me and one day I made the idiot mistake of asking our principal to talk to them (the infamous Marion Hobbs) . She made the mistake of then telling them they could "do" the school cert if they wanted and it was nothing to do with me . Needless to say they had never seen anything approaching even 4th form maths for the SC but I had to waste time letting them try the entry exams from the fourth form to see if they could meet the minimum standard . They couldn't even understand the questions . It didn't make them any happier realizing that I was right all along and SC maths was not for them . But lots of these kids were good kids - some were awful . Their common attribute was to be utterly nonacademic . Very very hard on them at times - school until 18 would have been hell for some . Tom |
Thomas01 (317) | ||
| 635246 | 2008-01-31 07:37:00 | ... school until 18 would have been hell for some.... And for their teachers. And parents. |
Mercury (1316) | ||
| 635247 | 2008-01-31 08:06:00 | And what do some of our older members think? Some people used to say to our kids, "School holidays are nearly over. Not much fun going back to school, eh?" Their response was invariably positive. They had had a good holiday but they were looking forward to going back to school. The unmotivated ones just need to be able to leave and no immediate dole. You may not be able to do too much with them. Concentrate on the young ones still at primary. Change their negative attitudes even if their parent don't or won't. Then you will not have to worry about leaving ages - they will leave when they are ready. Yesterday I met two people whom have three children. The Parents can't wait for the children to go back to school. I did not ask the children about how they felt. But why would I? After all I am an adult. You need a licence to keep a dog and I am starting to think you should need a licence to manufacture children. The schools should not have to make up for parents/caregivers who just want to do their own thing. |
Sweep (90) | ||
| 635248 | 2008-01-31 08:25:00 | Leaving age to 18? Theres no 8th form . . so I would have been stuffed . If i had stayed through 7th form, i would have still be 17 at the end of it . That said, I've already left . |
Dannz (1668) | ||
| 635249 | 2008-02-02 10:17:00 | Yep you're wrong - or I am!! By poor I was referring to their academic ability not their financial state . Bit of a strange query that one . I myself remember when poor did always refer to their financial state . Then we went all politically correct and the poor sods had no longer to be referred to as "poor" There I go again - getting confused . What can be done? Well I don't know the complete answer but our alternative maths that I ran for the 5th form for years was part answer . We gave the students (surely we should call them pupils!), a simple maths test first . Then we discussed the results and for about a week would concentrate on improving them . After that they had almost an identical test - different numbers only . They would be extremely chuffed at their improvement . No trig or complex algebra of course but good useful everyday maths . It was extremely wearing on me and one day I made the idiot mistake of asking our principal to talk to them (the infamous Marion Hobbs) . She made the mistake of then telling them they could "do" the school cert if they wanted and it was nothing to do with me . Needless to say they had never seen anything approaching even 4th form maths for the SC but I had to waste time letting them try the entry exams from the fourth form to see if they could meet the minimum standard . They couldn't even understand the questions . It didn't make them any happier realizing that I was right all along and SC maths was not for them . But lots of these kids were good kids - some were awful . Their common attribute was to be utterly nonacademic . Very very hard on them at times - school until 18 would have been hell for some . Tom I apologise, I thought I was reading wrong . Anyways, an alternative is needed, maybe a grunt course of sorts?? |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
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