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Thread ID: 86817	2008-01-29 22:42:00	School leaving age	JJJJJ (528)	PC World Chat

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635235	2008-01-30 20:27:00	I wonder if the education department could run their system through here,the obviously need our help?	Cicero (40)
635236	2008-01-30 20:30:00	Sorry Cicero. I know your motives are good, but the system can barely limp. Running is right out of the question.	R2x1 (4628)
635237	2008-01-30 21:18:00	Lets be realistic. Bad mouthing both teachers and schools is ridiculous. The writers forget the same teachers/schools etc turn out brilliant successful students. So who is getting it wrong? I had many students thank me for being their teacher - I have received letters from all over the world in the same vein. But on the other hand some of my poor students blamed me and the school for their lack of success. I would hate having to teach (or try to teach) some of these poor students up to 18. They will merely disrupt the classes. There appears to be some concern about these "boot camps" This is a terrible name and should be forgotten about. We should be merely discussing military type training, discipline, and army standards of cleanliness and organisation - not bullying. I had to do the 2 years National Service when I was 18 and have the army training to thank for adding to my physique, giving me lots of confidence, and mainly for getting me away from my home (which wasn't bad but still typical of a home life - over protected etc). My own grandchildren would really have benefited for a spell away from home and learning lots of life skills. Nearly ALL children would. In fact when a teenager I was really sorry for those medically unfit who despite their desires were not allowed to join up. And the army does train to suit the candidate. No way could I say that my training in the Intelligence Corps was anything like the BOOT CAMP we see on TV. It was still toughening up for us and made us really think and learn. I believe that if Helen could spend a week trying to teach some of my old bad students she would realise that she is not getting it right. She may also be amazed to find many of these bad students are decent, hard working, delightful people who raise successful families, and are a pleasure to meet outside the class room. Tom	Thomas01 (317)
635238	2008-01-30 21:21:00	...our primary schools are the ones that have failed them... Not always. It must be hard to teach kids if this term they are in South Auckland with Mum, next term in West Auckland with Dad, up north with Grandma for a bit, then back into town. Particularly if added to the above there are a few changes of school as people move house and schools within the area due to a shortage of funds to keep up with the rent. By the time a teacher has identified a kid's needs they are off again. There are kids who get through primary school this way and by the time they get to high school they've lost it.	Mercury (1316)
635239	2008-01-30 21:26:00	Oh, and the high school I worked at had a roll of 1,500 kids. One third of those left every year. New enrolments and leavers happened every week. One 6th former (year 12) came in mid term and I checked with the enrolment officer that he had her options correct. I was amazed - they were all academic subjects. Was this an error? It wasn't and the kid did well. Very unusual.	Mercury (1316)
635240	2008-01-30 22:02:00	Metla, you're talking sense as usual. At least later this year Lady Helen will be gone. Unless all the 18 year olds vote for her.	JJJJJ (528)
635241	2008-01-31 00:29:00	Until discipline is returned,we are gone. And there you have it,right, what's next?	Cicero (40)
635242	2008-01-31 01:42:00	Lets be realistic . Bad mouthing both teachers and schools is ridiculous . The writers forget the same teachers/schools etc turn out brilliant successful students . So who is getting it wrong? I had many students thank me for being their teacher - I have received letters from all over the world in the same vein . But on the other hand some of my poor students blamed me and the school for their lack of success . I would hate having to teach (or try to teach) some of these poor students up to 18 . They will merely disrupt the classes . Am I reading this correctly? Are you saying poor students are bad students??? I hope Im wrong . . . Also to be realistic, not every student is the same . As you metioned you got thanks and you got blame, what could have been done to the ones that complained or whatever? Its a toughy and a serious alternative is needed, raising the age is not one of them, the prime dog will loose a few thousand votes over that one I hope .	rob_on_guitar (4196)
635243	2008-01-31 01:43:00	Until discipline is returned,we are gone. And there you have it,right, what's next? Correct! Top of the class	rob_on_guitar (4196)
635244	2008-01-31 02:08:00	Not always. It must be hard to teach kids if this term they are in South Auckland with Mum, next term in West Auckland with Dad, up north with Grandma for a bit, then back into town. Particularly if added to the above there are a few changes of school as people move house and schools within the area due to a shortage of funds to keep up with the rent. By the time a teacher has identified a kid's needs they are off again. There are kids who get through primary school this way and by the time they get to high school they've lost it. Thats not right kids shouldnt be pissed around for their schooling, they need stability in their lives. Sounds like the parents should put their kids first and sort their lives out. My kids have been at same school since they were 5, one is 10 other 12 years old. Sure I would like to do other other things like shift to Aussie and work in the mines as a hydraulics engineer. But I wont because the kids need a stable regime. C1	chicken one (6501)
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