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Thread ID: 86664	2008-01-24 09:38:00	On what basis do judges give out punishments?	qazwsxokmijn (102)	PC World Chat

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633585	2008-01-25 08:25:00	C1, are you perhaps mildly retarded, or is it an act? Just curious. You might be on to something with the mild retardation. Then again only a plonker would call himself lord of this world. C1	chicken one (6501)
633586	2008-01-25 08:33:00	You might be on to something with the mild retardation. Then again only a plonker would call himself lord of this world. C1 Groovy, Retarded it is then. And now, a musical interlude. Black Sabbath-Lord of this World. Youre searching for your mind dont know where to start Cant find the key to fit the lock on your heart You think you know but you are never quite sure Your soul is ill but you will not find a cure. Your world was made for you by someone above But you choose evil ways instead of love. You made me master of the world where you exist The soul I took from you was not even missed. Lord of this world Evil possessor Lord of this world Hes your confessor now! You think youre innocent youve nothing to fear You dont know me you say but isnt it clear? You turn to me in all your worldly greed and pride. But will you turn to me when its your turn to die?	Metla (12)
633587	2008-01-25 08:49:00	Civilised people dont use the death penalty. If you are pro death you are scum. I think the judges get memos from corrections asking them not to send too many people to them hence the light sentences. What we need are more prisons and keep the bad ass prisoners locked for the whole sentence. Parole seems automatic and a waste of time for the judge to sentence someone to say 10 years if they are out in 6. Or they factor in the parole to the original sentence like sentence the crook to 14yrs knowing he will be out in 10 yrs. C1 Wow, thats a lot of scummy people in the world then. Good to see you and Roscoe get along so well in judging people. BTW, Death Penalty FTW.	beeswax34 (63)
633588	2008-01-25 09:06:00	Civilised people dont use the death penalty. If you are pro death you are scum. I think the judges get memos from corrections asking them not to send too many people to them hence the light sentences. What we need are more prisons and keep the bad ass prisoners locked for the whole sentence. Parole seems automatic and a waste of time for the judge to sentence someone to say 10 years if they are out in 6. Or they factor in the parole to the original sentence like sentence the crook to 14yrs knowing he will be out in 10 yrs. C1 The death penalty would also do a lot to prevent 'Global Warming'. Dead criminals use a lot less resources than live ones. More seriously with sufficient proof DNA etc there is little chance of error these days. At $50k per year per prisoner to keep scum locked up there is potential for a large saving. The death penalty might not be a deterrent to others but it sure cuts down on repeat offending.	CliveM (6007)
633589	2008-01-25 09:32:00	$50K per year per prisoner?? WTF? Are you sure that's right? $50K can feed a family of four!	qazwsxokmijn (102)
633590	2008-01-25 09:38:00	Why do the poor commit more crime? "It's not that crime is rational; it's that working within the system is insufficiently rational if the system is working against you. If you are born white, middle-class, in an educated family, you are likely to have (a) the message, from your culture, your neighborhood, your family, that if you work hard and stay on the straight and narrow you are likely to wind up at least moderately successful (b) evidence to back that up, because many of the people around you have worked hard, stayed on the straight and narrow, and wound up moderately successful. If you are born into intergenerational, cultural poverty, the message you're going to get is: it doesn't matter. You can work all you can and it won't make a difference. Or you have to work three times as hard as the other guy for it to make a difference. It's a sucker's game, why play? And you're going to get evidence to back that up, because even if we argue that now everyone has equal opportunities (which is in itself dubious), even a generation ago that certainly wasn't true. And that's what you'll hear (even if it's never said) from people who are older: don't try to work within the system, because it won't work." www.metafilter.com You are now starting to see the results of twenty years of Economic mis-management in New Zealand copying the "American Way", this was all predicted at the time of the moving away from Socialist values, you have no one to blame but yourselves for the increase in crime in this country. Suck It Up, the results of short sighted greed and incredible ignorance.	zqwerty (97)
633591	2008-01-25 10:59:00	The death penalty would also do a lot to prevent 'Global Warming'. Dead criminals use a lot less resources than live ones. More seriously with sufficient proof DNA etc there is little chance of error these days. At $50k per year per prisoner to keep scum locked up there is potential for a large saving. The death penalty might not be a deterrent to others but it sure cuts down on repeat offending. DNA says a person was there, or maybe did something. B.u.t.... if they were there the day before, or did something at the time, does it mean they were guilty of what they were charged with? For example Rape. DNA says a guy had sex. But was it rape or consensual at the time? And the girl (and/or boy) regreting it in the morning?	Mercury (1316)
633592	2008-01-25 12:37:00	If you are near a university you can probably get access to "Hall's Sentencing" which is a legal textbook written by Geoff Hall of Otago University. It is the bible for sentencing and is used by lawyers and judges alike. The book is loose-leaf and updated every few months as cases come and go. Costs about $300 plus maybe $300/yr for the updates. Fortunately I gave away criminal law....before I could get caught. :D	Winston001 (3612)
633593	2008-01-25 12:45:00	Courts sentence people as a deterrent to others in case they try the same trick. LMFAO.......that's the theory anyway.....I dont believe that the 'deterrent' offered by the STUPIDLY light sentences in NZ and the wonderful conditions in prisons, often better than 'outside' act as any kind of deterrent......just look at the recidivist rates, specially those rates shown for people who have been thru special schemes to 'help' them......they're even HIGHER......	drcspy (146)
633594	2008-01-25 18:43:00	I had the experience of sitting through a class once in which the tutor (who was a lawyer) divided the class into prosecution, defence, and judges. We looked at a real case in which two young guys (18 and 19 years old - from memory) had been convicted for holding up a petrol station late at night. We had all of the material that the courts had available to us - probation reports etc. The defence team presented their case to the judge-team - and then the defence team presented their case too. Both defence and prosecution argued for between 2 - 3.5 years for the defendants. The judge-team sentenced in that area too. The actual sentences the offenders had received were 5 and 6 years imprisonment.	Deane F (8204)
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