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Thread ID: 86645	2008-01-23 20:38:00	Question of honesty	SolMiester (139)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
633432	2008-01-28 12:13:00	So is honesty buying something at one price and then selling it at 4 or 5 times what you paid for it. Just good business I suppose. I believe in cost plus 30%.	zqwerty (97)
633433	2008-01-28 17:56:00	I don't really believe that theft (which this is) can be mitigated by what may in afterthought be considered as unfair mark-ups and profits by merchants . It's a price by demand market . . if you want it badly enough, then you are willing to pay for it . You, and only you can decide if the price is alright with you and you commit to that by the completed transaction . If you or a representative of yours purchases goods at whatever costs and then finds a loophole to not pay . . . then the effect is no less than taking the goods by physical force or threat of harm . The loophole that seems to be at the front in this case was negligence by the merchant's representative, and since you have received improvement with the goods, the merchant is entitled to improvement with the money for it . Courts are specifically set up to unwind these situations . . . you give back the merchandise and the merchant gives up the right to subrogation . . and both parties walk away, neither harmed, nor improved . Once you learned of the accidental negligence by the sales clerk, you have an obligation to make things equitable . The right to recision* is universal; anything less or more is fraud . * RECISION :Canceling a contract by mutual consent, or because one party made an obvious mistake . In cases of obvious mistakes the law allows the contract to be canceled to prevent the other party from taking unfair advantage of the mistake . ibid: Annulling a contract and placing the parties to it in a position if there had not been a contract .	SurferJoe46 (51)
633434	2008-01-28 18:14:00	I just saw a signature by one of our esteemed colleagues: "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does the truth become error because nobody will see it." - Mohandas K. Gandhi, (1869-1948)	SurferJoe46 (51)
633435	2008-01-28 18:41:00	That's the way it is these days, and it is the capitalists who made it that way, suck it up.My my my, haven't morals dropped in these days. Blame whoever you want... nobody made you do anything. In the end its our own choice Anyway, I am surprised at the business owners here saying 'take it, it's a freebie'. Would they be so forgiving if the shoe was on the other foot?	Myth (110)
633436	2008-01-28 18:58:00	[I][INDENT]* RECISION :Canceling a contract by mutual consent, or because one party made an obvious mistake. In cases of obvious mistakes the law allows the contract to be canceled to prevent the other party from taking unfair advantage of the mistake.It's not quite the original poster's situation, but here in New Zealand a price charged at the checkout and then paid for is a legal and binding contract. My brother successfully defended a case here in NZ where a large chain store's customer was grossly undercharged by the till operator. Another case he succssfully defended was when his client was handed $5000 instead of the $50 he wrote down on his withdrawal slip at a bank. A longish story somewhat abridged here... It all came down to whether the client was aware of whether or not he received the excess cash, because his defence was that he didn't count the money; he simply stuck it in his pocket and promptly went out and bought 50 bucks worth of dope, and he simply handed over all of the "fifty" bucks he "knew" he had in his pocket. Prosecution tried to prove that he was aware of the erroneous transaction because video surveillance clearly showed him looking down towards the cashier as she counted out the money. The detail that got him off? My brother tactfully pointed out that the cashier was rather well endowed in the chest area and that's where his client's gaze was fixed upon! (sad ending - the cashier got fired!)	Greg (193)
633437	2008-01-28 19:13:00	I don't know if people are being deliberately disingenuous or just think in compartmentalised ways but there is a direct connection between the change in the way the country is being run, ie right wing capitalist "values" and the amount of criminal activity and discontent within the community. The sense of entitlement mentioned somewhere in this thread is simple a feeling of being ripped off and manipulated by forces greater and more ruthless than oneself and taking whatever actions to rectify the perceived injustice. If by chance one gets some sort of "windfall" (note usage of conservative term), in this case the seller's agent made a mistake, note my caveat emptor point above, I don't see why the term "honesty" is even in the conversation, this is just a concept to con the weak and foolish into "kow-towing" to the official power structure and fitting in with what suits them so that they can continue to rip off. One rule for the rich another for the poor. If you make a mistake and buy the wrong product or pay too much what would be the result of that, would the seller say "I have been dishonest because I have sold the wrong thing to a person" when the person wants t return the product or feels then have paid too much on reflection, no, you would say the buyer made a mistake, and what about all the faulty goods that are complained about on this very forum and where the aggrieved party has trouble getting the goods replaced. The seller made a mistake and you expect the buyer to somehow make that up to the seller, why not the other way round. Business is a tough game and it works both ways, keep the games I say, the rip off is almost always the other way round, one for the good guys.	zqwerty (97)
633438	2008-01-30 12:17:00	We often see people going through the rubbish bins round the city looking for cans. You need better restaurants! :D	Robinz (9362)
633439	2008-01-30 12:37:00	Business is only tough when there is too many leaders and not enough followers.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
633440	2008-01-30 18:51:00	"You need better restaurants!" Silly, they are not looking for food the are trying to find aluminium cans to get extra money. I suppose this could be seen as the "invisible hand of the market" working for maximum efficiency in the collection of cans, by exploiting the unemployed, addicts, mentally deficient, unfortunate in any way. What am I thinking? It's actually a good thing, I've been deluded for so long. Was Robin Hood a criminal? That is, was he dishonest? In England we are taught that he is an important figure for Justice, "take from the rich, give to the poor", in NZ he is considered a bit of a joke!	zqwerty (97)
633441	2008-01-31 01:03:00	In England we are taught that he is an important figure for Justice, "take from the rich, give to the poor", in NZ he is considered a bit of a joke! In the US...we call that the Democratic Party. Both categories.	SurferJoe46 (51)
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