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| Thread ID: 86903 | 2008-02-01 00:22:00 | North Island faces power cut 'today' | robbyp (2751) | PC World Chat |
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| 636091 | 2008-02-01 02:22:00 | Thanks for agreeing with me wratterus ;) :) Any time boss. :p It really is the only way to go - that is if the government and power companies don't heed my earlier (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz) suggestion. ;) |
wratterus (105) | ||
| 636092 | 2008-02-01 02:59:00 | Well blame the farmers who don't want pylons on their land. And America! That's what I do. The milk has gone off? America's fault. The world economy is going down the toilet? America's fault. See? No way, Bill Gates made it all go wrong, then Theresa Gattung made sure we didn't get to hear about it. Jenny Shipley and WinMacGuy probably had a finger in the pie too. Catastrophe is only just averted because the clock is right. It would pay to put Dumb Terminal back where it belongs to save a few kilowatts. |
R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 636093 | 2008-02-01 03:43:00 | Don't blame the government. It's not the governments job to make the investment. The "freemarket" enthusiasts gave the power system into the greedy hands of the market. The market would provide the planning for future needs, and there would be no need for a NZ Electricity Department to do it. The market believes in returns to shareholders. The price of electricity to you has trebled; the returns to the shareholders have been lovely. Investment in new generation? Investment in distribution? Investment in maintenance? |
Graham L (2) | ||
| 636094 | 2008-02-01 04:07:00 | Max Bradford had all the answers when he was the Minister of Energy - why don't the newpapers ask him for some now?? | decibel (11645) | ||
| 636095 | 2008-02-01 04:29:00 | Don't blame the government. It's not the governments job to make the investment. The "freemarket" enthusiasts gave the power system into the greedy hands of the market. The market would provide the planning for future needs, and there would be no need for a NZ Electricity Department to do it. The market believes in returns to shareholders. The price of electricity to you has trebled; the returns to the shareholders have been lovely. Investment in new generation? Investment in distribution? Investment in maintenance? The government own both generation and power retailers, and get paid a huge dividend each year from the profits. That money should be put back into investment. This problem is largely due to problems with the cook strait power cable, which hasn't been upgraded as was required. This means that the south island are not able to top up the north islands power needs. It is not that the market believe in returns to shareholder, but that shareholders won't invest in a company unless they get a return on their investment. Ultimately however the governemtn are responsibile for our countries infrastructure. If something is going to affect NZs productivity, such as insufficent infrastructure, they are responsibile for using our tax payer dollars to put it right. Otherwise what are we paying taxes for. |
robbyp (2751) | ||
| 636096 | 2008-02-01 04:56:00 | Don't blame the government. It's not the governments job to make the investment. The "freemarket" enthusiasts gave the power system into the greedy hands of the market. The market would provide the planning for future needs, and there would be no need for a NZ Electricity Department to do it. The market believes in returns to shareholders. The price of electricity to you has trebled; the returns to the shareholders have been lovely. Investment in new generation? Investment in distribution? Investment in maintenance? Well said Any why doesn't some aspiring journalist do an interview with Max Bradford and ask him if he thinks his reforms have been a success and if so for who. And if not would he like to pay his salary and pension back to us ? I am not normally in favour of government departments but with things like power and water it is a basic central govt responsibility. They get the pop stats and are charged with building enough power stations and cables etc. Regards Digby |
Digby (677) | ||
| 636097 | 2008-02-01 06:04:00 | Well said Any why doesn't some aspiring journalist do an interview with Max Bradford and ask him if he thinks his reforms have been a success and if so for who. And if not would he like to pay his salary and pension back to us ? I am not normally in favour of government departments but with things like power and water it is a basic central govt responsibility. They get the pop stats and are charged with building enough power stations and cables etc. Regards Digby Is he even in parliment these days, I don't think so. This is his website http://www.maxbradford.co.nz/ I doubt he would comment as it probably wouldn't be good for business. Re. govt responsibility Same goes for our internet. They should build a fibre optic/ Wimax system throughout the country, rather than relying on private companies to do it for them. Becasue NZ is not an attractive place for investment in internet and mobile infrastructure, government be investing. |
robbyp (2751) | ||
| 636098 | 2008-02-01 06:08:00 | Lets kill all the Greens first. Then we can have nuclear power. | beeswax34 (63) | ||
| 636099 | 2008-02-01 06:36:00 | Don't blame the government. It's not the governments job to make the investment. The "freemarket" enthusiasts gave the power system into the greedy hands of the market. The market would provide the planning for future needs, and there would be no need for a NZ Electricity Department to do it. The market believes in returns to shareholders. The price of electricity to you has trebled; the returns to the shareholders have been lovely. Investment in new generation? Investment in distribution? Investment in maintenance? Any time anyone wants to build a power station, they have to jump through hoops to do it. The number of renewable projects which have either been canceled, or seriously delayed due to ridiculous submissions under the RMA just goes to show that power companies are TRYING to build more capacity, but they can't. Same with the power transmission issues - Transpower has been trying for years to get more capacity up to Auckland, and they still aren't allowed to do it. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 636100 | 2008-02-01 06:45:00 | FreeMarket - We took the wrong choice years ago. | zqwerty (97) | ||
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