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| 638592 | 2008-02-13 02:28:00 | spend more on cleaning them up Are you friggin kidding me son? (gosh I feel old calling you son :lol:) That's where the whole god damn problem is!!! They're given too much luxuries to be in a prison!! And now you want to PAY MORE???? |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 638593 | 2008-02-13 03:18:00 | I don't why people shouldn't be comfortable in jail . Their punishment is the loss of their liberty and there is plenty of that in jail . They lose the liberty to: - be at large in the community - see their family or friends for more than 2 hours per week - cook and eat what they like - spend money other than on a very small selection of items and only once a week If we choose to brutalise criminals in our prisons then we are asking for trouble . This is because of one very basic fact: almost every prisoner in NZ jails has a release date . |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 638594 | 2008-02-13 03:28:00 | If we choose to brutalise criminals in our prisons then we are asking for trouble. who said anyting about brutalizing people ? MY point is simple: Make jail a place people wont want to be ......EVER.....make it VERY unpleasant......remove ALL pleasantries.....all 'extra' amenities.......then perhaps folks will be MUCH more reluctant to do the crime.........as it stands today sentences are ridiculously light........ |
drcspy (146) | ||
| 638595 | 2008-02-13 03:39:00 | Make jail a place people wont want to be ......EVER.....make it VERY unpleasant......remove ALL pleasantries.....all 'extra' amenities.......then perhaps folks will be MUCH more reluctant to do the crime.........as it stands today sentences are ridiculously light........ People who commit crimes do so without thought as to consequences. This can be seen in the US for instance - where people face the death penalty for murder - but the states that have the death penalty experience as high or higher murder rates than non-death penalty states. Also, the US has a higher imprisonment rate than we do - yet their crime rates are not falling. What makes you think that a more unpleasant jail will do anything to keep people out of there? There doesn't seem to be any actual evidence for this - even though it intuits well. Personally, I think there is no answer to crime and recidivism. It is a natural part of the order of things. Abuse of freedoms is the hallmark of real liberty. Not a nice truth - but a truth nonetheless. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 638596 | 2008-02-13 04:04:00 | Which we don't have to accept. There is an answer for recidivist offenders. Lock them up for good and they won't get a chance to re-offend. It is that simple. Is it punitive? Yes it is. Recidivist offenders should be punished - they obviously don't learn from their experience so they should continue to be punished until either they do or they die. I'm not interested in trying to reintegrate a recidivist offender back into a society within which they choose not to obey the rules. Why would you bother? I don't want them around. The society we live in is safer without them. Bugger the expense - just get them off the street and make prison a VERY unpleasant place to be. | andrew93 (249) | ||
| 638597 | 2008-02-13 04:06:00 | People who commit crimes do so without thought as to consequences now that's a generalisation and as you know all generalisations are innacurate ! (wink) but seriously.........I firmly believe that here in nz in particular with its ridiculously light sentences people often DO 'have a thought for the consequences'.....but that consequence.....IF they get caught isn't enough to discourage them. If you were lookin at a stretch in a 6x6 concrete cell with the only relief being 'volunteering' for hard labour I really believe that'd discourage some folks........anyway theories aside I believe it's time we TRIED that regime after all by the justice depts own telling 'rehabiliation' courses (costing millions) only INCREASE the rate of recidivism ! We've tried the 'soft' approach now how about seeing if the hard approach works better, it cant be worse after all the 'soft' approach does NOT work ! |
drcspy (146) | ||
| 638598 | 2008-02-13 04:22:00 | who said anyting about brutalizing people ? MY point is simple: Make jail a place people wont want to be ......EVER.....make it VERY unpleasant......remove ALL pleasantries.....all 'extra' amenities.......then perhaps folks will be MUCH more reluctant to do the crime.........as it stands today sentences are ridiculously light........ You mean like jails in Latin America, the Middle East or many parts of Asia? Do you think to yourself, "Gee, those places have nasty jails and clean streets with no crime! It's a winning formula!" |
Biggles (121) | ||
| 638599 | 2008-02-13 04:43:00 | Do you think to yourself, "Gee, those places have nasty jails and clean streets with no crime! It's a winning formula!" I don't, but I look at New Zealand and I see : ~ ACC pays criminals for breaking a leg while trying to escape; ~ offenders get more support than victims (including legal aid); ~ a widow is sent a bill for $19k for legal aid relating to the inquest into her husbands death; ~ jail is obviously not the hard time we think it is with TV's and play stations for inmates, and ~ the social experiment we are currently a part of is going to cause major crime problems in the future. Do you think to yourself, "Gee, we aren't soft enough on criminals! We have to be softer so they might stop committing crimes!"? |
andrew93 (249) | ||
| 638600 | 2008-02-13 04:45:00 | theories aside I believe it's time we TRIED that regime after all by the justice depts own telling 'rehabiliation' courses (costing millions) only INCREASE the rate of recidivism ! We've tried the 'soft' approach now how about seeing if the hard approach works better, it cant be worse after all the 'soft' approach does NOT work ! We have tried that approach - around a century ago . Didn't work then . What makes you think it will work now - a theory . . . ? |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 638601 | 2008-02-13 04:49:00 | I don't, but I look at New Zealand and I see : ~ ACC pays criminals for breaking a leg while trying to escape; and in return for a no-fault insurance scheme we get to avoid civil litigation on the scale found in the US. ~ offenders get more support than victims (including legal aid); Crown prosecutors get paid far more than legal aid lawyers- and for more hours. The police are resourced to investigate and prosecute as well. Both prosecutors and police work on behalf of victims. ~ a widow is sent a bill for $19k for legal aid relating to the inquest into her husbands death; It was written off. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
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