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Thread ID: 87155	2008-02-10 21:01:00	Only for engine enthusiasts.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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639236	2008-02-12 05:06:00	I found what I THINK is a modern copy of the old Sulzer I just mentioned (people.bath.ac.uk). It is a new Japanese version...and these pixs are sure interesting, but somehow I don't remember the crankshaft layout as the same as I worked on. What I want to know is how they start the bastard!! Sure wasn't a hand-crank job and they don't make batteries and starter motors big enough, so I favour either a controlled nuclear explosion or compressed air. Probably have to warm the heads with a hottie as well! Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
639237	2008-02-12 18:13:00	I found what I THINK is a modern copy of the old Sulzer I just mentioned ( . bath . ac . uk/ccsshb/12cyl/" target="_blank">people . bath . ac . uk) . It is a new Japanese version . . . and these pixs are sure interesting, but somehow I don't remember the crankshaft layout as the same as I worked on . Maybe i AM old after all . Gonna sleep a whole now . Nite! :eek: Holy cr%p !! :eek: I had no idea engines came that big!	Morpheus1 (186)
639238	2008-02-12 18:55:00	What I want to know is how they start the bastard!! Sure wasn't a hand-crank job and they don't make batteries and starter motors big enough, so I favour either a controlled nuclear explosion or compressed air. Probably have to warm the heads with a hottie as well! Cheers Billy 8-{) We used an auxiliary motor,much like the tractors of old used a petrol engine to start kerosene engine.	Cicero (40)
639239	2008-02-13 07:22:00	:eek: Holy cr%p !! :eek: I had no idea engines came that big! Feeling a little better tonight here in SoCal (Tues evening) and I can tell you about an experience I had when I was running afore the wind back from Catalina Island from a day's fishing on the lee side, and I was running about 38kts between Los Angeles and the umbra side of the Isthmus of Catalina . At that speed, I usually had little collision possibilities with much but the occasional Cigarette or so and it was still daytime and there was nothing but a container vessel on the horizon to worry about . Ya gotta believe here that I was trying to make a cross bow pass by a far shot mind you, on a huge container vessel, riding at the plimsolls, no bone in her teeth and making over 45kts! I couldn't get even close to a passing distance in the whole 30 mile wide channel as she was making too much head on me and I was gonna wind up in a pass close aboard to starboard (CATS for him) . . . and that's a legal collision by maritime law . He whistled me to veer to my starboard, which I did and I hailed him on Marine-19, asking him for his indicated speed . He said it was 51kts! He was running one of those Sulzers and there wasn't even a whiff of smoke from any of the stacks to give away the speed this behemoth was making . I figgered the ONLY thing to do was pull a hard right, make a 360° wheel outside of his CATS and point my bow into the wake that i just KNEW was gonna pound me to death when I cut in behind his stern . I didn't want any part of a tumble home or stern wash to get me as I was running a wet fighting deck and the rear doors weren't yet repaired enough for a following sea to hit me there in a weak spot Gritting my teeth and heading straight at his fantail . . there never was any wake! S-M-O-O-T-H . . . so smooth you never knew anything but the wind had passed over the water . No bubbles . . . no prop wash . . . no ripples . . . . no nutthin'! Imagine the speed, the displacement and the lack of a wake or a bone in her teeth . The Chinese had truly built a very impressive vessel that wasted NO energy on waves, wakes or ripping the water up . It was also silent . That's economy! BTW: They use heated (not intercooled) compressed air to start the diesel cycle . . . but racking the valves and letting the engine run as a giant air motor for two or three revolutions . . . then the fuel takes over .	SurferJoe46 (51)
639240	2008-02-13 07:44:00	He whistled me to veer to my starboard, which I did and I hailed him on Marine-19, asking him for his indicated speed . He said it was 51kts! He was running one of those Sulzers and there wasn't even a whiff of smoke from any of the stacks to give away the speed this behemoth was making . Well someone must have been smoking something :p 27kts or 50kph is believable for a late model container ship	PaulD (232)
639241	2008-02-14 01:42:00	Well someone must have been smoking something :p 27kts or 50kph is believable for a late model container ship I Googled some Norwegian container ships and a few Japanese . . . etc . . and they indicate that they are running about what you say . . . . but it sure seemed faster to me in the Straights of Los Angeles between Long Beach and Catalina . I was running a 21 foot Invader with a pair of Merc 4 . 3 I/O's and could not get past him, and I know the top speed for me was well over 53mph/85 . 3kph, and that checks out at about 45kts . I was attempting to come to a crossing point that would eventually take me obliquely across his bow, but I could NOT get enough headway to make it . My closing angle was from about (his) 050° relative and I could only close the range and yet not open the angle of attack . Mind you he was about a good mile away when I started my run, and I too could not believe his speed . Technically I had the right-of-way, but try to argue that point from the morgue . No matter how long I ran and even changed my course, I could not get his ship to more than two points off my port bow at any time . He was running prolly every bit of what he said . . the plot and course would not be that far off and I had to keep opening my angle of approach but I never got clear enough of him to make a legal cut across him . After I swung to my right and made the 1/4-mile wheel, I realized just how hard I had been running and couldn't get a decent angle on him . If I kept running to attempt a cross-bow pass, I would have been in San Diego before I could get enough range for a legal cross . The open ocean is strange and causes a lot of distortion in time and distance, but somehow I thought I could at LEAST get around a fully-loaded container vessel . Nope! :lol:	SurferJoe46 (51)
639242	2008-02-14 05:15:00	I remember driving a Bradford Van in the 60's A two cylinder engine with opposed cylinders. en.wikipedia.org	Sweep (90)
639243	2008-02-14 07:58:00	I remember driving a Bradford Van in the 60's . A two cylinder engine with opposed cylinders . Cute, but sounded like a chaff-cutter and couldn't pull your Granny off the dunny even if the seat was wet . The Jowett Javelin used the same basic motor but with four cylinders and was quite fast and rather stylish for its day . Speaking of Grannies and dunnies, while I was an apprentice we used a Ford Thames 100E van for pickups etc and with two of us aboard it couldn't climb the Newton Gully (Auckland) hills . We had to use King St to get from New North Road to Great North Road and it had a nasty kink at the bottom with a power pole just waiting to clobber the unwary . We would race down the hill as fast as we dared, teeter through the kink at the ragged edge of roadholding , zoom up the other side, double declutch into 2nd then 1st (3-speed box) and just and only just make it to a side street about 50 metres from the top . From there we would reverse out at speed (reverse being geared lower than 1st) and crawl over the top . Them's were the days, I could probably have done it better on my Sturmey-Archer 3-speed bike . I later bought the van off the boss and not long after that the gearbox collapsed in a pile of gear fragments and a puddle of oil, due no doubt due to the muffed speed-changes on King St . It was so munted it had to be replaced . Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
639244	2008-02-14 08:50:00	'couldn't pull your Granny off the dunny even if the seat was wet' love it, haha	zqwerty (97)
639245	2008-02-14 09:13:00	Cute, but sounded like a chaff-cutter and couldn't pull your Granny off the dunny even if the seat was wet. The Jowett Javelin used the same basic motor but with four cylinders and was quite fast and rather stylish for its day. Speaking of Grannies and dunnies, while I was an apprentice we used a Ford Thames 100E van for pickups etc and with two of us aboard it couldn't climb the Newton Gully (Auckland) hills. We had to use King St to get from New North Road to Great North Road and it had a nasty kink at the bottom with a power pole just waiting to clobber the unwary. We would race down the hill as fast as we dared, teeter through the kink at the ragged edge of roadholding , zoom up the other side, double declutch into 2nd then 1st (3-speed box) and just and only just make it to a side street about 50 metres from the top. From there we would reverse out at speed (reverse being geared lower than 1st) and crawl over the top. Them's were the days, I could probably have done it better on my Sturmey-Archer 3-speed bike. I later bought the van off the boss and not long after that the gearbox collapsed in a pile of gear fragments and a puddle of oil, due no doubt due to the muffed speed-changes on King St. It was so munted it had to be replaced. Cheers Billy 8-{) Even today I drive some trucks that would not pull the skin off a rice pudding. The model T ford I used to drive up the Orongorongo river did better in suspension as well. Talking of Sturmey archer I managed to connect a set of derailleurs to a three speed sturmey archer hub. One chain wheel and 5 x 3 on the rear. Thanks for bringing back the memories.	Sweep (90)
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