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Thread ID: 87324	2008-02-17 05:27:00	Seems Blu-ray has won.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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641123	2008-02-23 12:27:00	post basically proving metla right, the age of the poster, and a perfect example of my aforementioned fail i know i'm probably just pushing it further, but seriously man, grow up! PROTIP: on the internets, with posters above the age of 16, you either prove them wrong, make a very witty remark, or shut the hell up :2cents: Yeah you might have to throw them away. Early Blu-Tay players only had profile 1 or 1.1 and thus could not take advantage of new features put into Blu-Ray dics which only profile 2.0 players supported. If you wanted to access those new features then yes, you would need a new BR player. PS3 is the only player so far that has been able to go from 1 -> 1.1 -> 2.0 great. while it is good that sony got the PS3 right from the get-go, it also shows they are deliberately ripping off the people who bought the first players mind you, if someone is so keen to go out and buy one of those players, i imagine sony reckons they'd buy another exactly why it's a shame the consumer didn't decide the better format	motorbyclist (188)
641124	2008-02-23 12:45:00	mind you, if someone is so keen to go out and buy one of those players, i imagine sony reckons they'd buy another exactly why it's a shame the consumer didn't decide the better format It wasn't a case of the consumer deciding on the "better" format, it was a case of making sure that Microsoft didn't win with its HD DVD format. "Microsoft’s efforts to push its Windows Media and WinCE as essential, proprietary aspects of both the new HD disc formats. While Microsoft successfully wrote Windows Media (aka VC-1) into the specification of both Toshiba’s AOD and Sony’s Blu-Ray, the Blu-Ray consortium members later selected Java-based technology from Sun as its interactive menu layer rather than Microsoft’s WinCE/HDi. "Ten years ago in 1998, Apple, Sun, IBM, Netscape, Oracle, and Silicon Graphics all collectively backed QuickTime against Microsoft’s ASF as the new container for MPEG-4. ISO members subsequently selected QuickTime over ASF and set in motion the development of open standards for mobile, disc, and high definition media distribution using a standard set of codecs collectively maintained by the entire industry rather than beholden to a specific company." "Since then, Microsoft tried hard to push ASF, derail MPEG-4, and even created its own bastard version of MPEG-4 codecs under the name Windows Media 9. It also worked hard to establish its proprietary audio codecs in the field of portable media players. When those efforts all failed, Microsoft ran WM9 though a sham standards process that rebranded it as VC-1, and set up a satellite group of “partners” to advocate it, all of which were owned or directly controlled by Microsoft." I have a link to the full article.	vitalstatistix (9182)
641125	2008-02-23 22:05:00	I have a link to the full article. care to post it? Sounds like an interesting article from your summary.	Greven (91)
641126	2008-02-23 22:19:00	It is very interesting although I will warn forum members that it is from an Apple orientated web site so it is geared towards more pro Apple which is why I didn't post the link earlier Despite what some members might think it is surprisingly accurate and some of the views expressed by readers at the end are interesting Lessons from the Death of HD-DVD www.roughlydrafted.com	vitalstatistix (9182)
641127	2008-02-24 00:20:00	It is very interesting although I will warn forum members that it is from an Apple orientated web site so it is geared towards more pro Apple which is why I didn't post the link earlier you've given both an interesting article and warned us about and acknowledged any possible bias... i approve of this welcome to PF1!:thumbs: (and now you put it that way, it is good to see that microsoft didn't win - though let's hope sony doesn't turn out to be just as bad)	motorbyclist (188)
641128	2008-02-24 00:30:00	you've given both an interesting article and warned us about and acknowledged any possible bias... i approve of this welcome to PF1!:thumbs: (and now you put it that way, it is good to see that microsoft didn't win - though let's hope sony doesn't turn out to be just as bad) Well since there are some forum members (who shall remain nameless :rolleyes: ) who insist on jumping on anything *** related and adding a bunch of FUD it, it was the least I could do.:p The article actually gives a very good over all picture of the situation IMO regardless of who the participating parties are. I don't see Sony going the same way as MS because the Java coding supplied by Sun Microsystems allows for staggered firmware upgrades without the need for buying new hardware (PS3) as the format evolves and also Sony is not into trapping users into their format although they have had some doozies with ATRAC. There are also too many members in the consortium who just want to provide a user experience. Sun is more interested in providing the Java code than controlling what people do with it or charging them for it. I think the web based downloads are going to over take the Blu Ray format very quickly - Netflix is already doing a good trade in movies and the iTunes Movie Store is getting staggered upgrades 7.6.1 was just made avialable concerning "adjusted rental criteria". iTunes is also doing .99c movie rentals and are becoming very relaxed on the 30 day "time limit" for movie rentals. You dont need a computer to watch the movies in 720p which I also see improving towards 1080p as technology and bandwidth capacity allow. ( in the very near future - along with with ever expanding Wifi availability on portable devices.) Youtube also uses the h.264 codec by default. well that is my take on it.	vitalstatistix (9182)
641129	2008-02-24 01:04:00	yeah, i don't really see bluray coming into force for a few years yet, and until broadband in this country starts improving i don't see myself downloading that much either. DVD is what most people have, and most people don't have a TV capable of HD - so i reckon it'll be around for a few years yet... mum has recently bought a sony DVD/HDD recorder for her tv - but still exclusively records stuff onto VHS	motorbyclist (188)
641130	2008-02-24 01:32:00	If you purchase a US iTunes gift certificate from ebay you can actually purchase movies from the iTunes Store according to an article in APC mag. Of course with out pathetic caps, one 5GB movie would blow your monthly limit in the length of time it took to download it.	vitalstatistix (9182)
641131	2008-02-24 03:26:00	Of course with out pathetic caps, one 5GB movie would blow your monthly limit in the length of time it took to download it. what drives me really nuts is dloading big files from sites that won't let me download managers so if my broadband connection fails, as it likes to do, i've basically wasted half my cap because i can't resume to get the file via P2P i need to do all that port forwarding crap to get any decent speed from it and for the last 24 months i've had an upload speed of 132kbps, router connection can manage 160kbps. for some reason since new years i've been lucky to see 80kbps (with obvious results):(	motorbyclist (188)
641132	2008-02-24 04:25:00	iTunes lets you resume your download which is handy considering the file size.	vitalstatistix (9182)
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