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Thread ID: 87393	2008-02-19 23:03:00	Scientology	ubergeek85 (131)	PC World Chat

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642051	2008-02-20 20:34:00	Not to pick on your answer in particular Rob, but whether or not anybody subscribes to a religion or a religious view, we all have our belief systems anyway. And all of our belief systems inform our politics and opinions too - and greed and avarice are human characteristics - not just peculiar to religions. Very well put, Deane. You are quite right. I see some who are trying to say that they are above that sort of thing, but we all know that is incorrect. Scientology is, as most people have already said, big business. It has been for years. Making money is one thing, but making money out of the gullible is another. You have to agree though, they have exploitation down to a fine art. But to say that all religions are the same or similar to Scientology is unfair. Not all religions, or perhaps more correctly, individual churches, are exploitative and money grabbing. Some are quite genuine. Many do good works quietly without recognition. There are many that work out of sight to help the less fortunate, no doubt in your town. To rubbish the beliefs indiscriminately, though, is bordering on hypocrisy. I can’t imagine anyone not abiding to the following: 1. You shall not murder. 2. You shall not commit adultery. 3. You shall not steal. 4. You shall not bear false witness. 5. You shall not covet anything that is not yours. It is obvious to everyone, without me telling you, where those laws came from and although so many decry religion you have to admit that you were brought up with that (religious) morality - and you would be the first to defend those principles. You can’t deny that at least those five of the original ten are the laws that our New Zealand society (and much of the modern world) is based upon. Some of this morality turns up on F1 occasionally. The Ten Commandments (or at least the above five) are precepts bearing on the fundamental obligations of morality and embodying man's whole duty to his fellow-creatures. Decry religion if you must, but don’t put everybody in the same category. There are some lovely, genuine people out there. You may not have come across them yet. You might just need to go out and look for them.:)	Roscoe (6288)
642052	2008-02-20 21:05:00	Not to pick on your answer in particular Rob, but whether or not anybody subscribes to a religion or a religious view, we all have our belief systems anyway. And all of our belief systems inform our politics and opinions too - and greed and avarice are human characteristics - not just peculiar to religions. Oh thats just an example of 'you shouldnt drink and post!':lol: , but yes I am against religion, but not to the point of hate. But, I see religion in being in politics, schools etc as a very wrong and deluded way about things. As for the rules, I think it came from common sense, not religion. And yup, Roscoe, there are very nice religious people and some that isn't. Just like all walks of life.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
642053	2008-02-20 21:13:00	Oh Crap! They're in NZ! http://www.scientology-auckland.org/ I hope I don't get pulled up on defamatory charges! Oh, on the NZ website, the personality test is free, not the usual $5000 or whatever it is.	ubergeek85 (131)
642054	2008-02-20 21:15:00	Oh crap.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
642055	2008-02-20 22:30:00	But, I see religion in being in politics, schools etc as a very wrong and deluded way about things. As for the rules, I think it came from common sense, not religion. Religion in schools should be taught, but not in a zealous fashion, just the stories. I'm not saying teach them as fact, but just make pupils aware that Christianity and other religions exist. I have heard people say that they do not intend to give their children religious teaching at all. They say that they will leave that up to their children to decide when they are older. Decide about what? You need both sides of the story before you can make up your mind!:illogical The rules most definitely came from "religion." Of that there is no doubt. NZ was founded by Christians on Christian morales and values in the 1840s. The immigrants brought and transplanted these morales and values with them when they landed on the Petone foreshore in January 1840. Our democracy is, as everyone knows, based on Westminster, and religious observance has always been part and parcel of that democracy. It is only recently that prayers before the beginning of parliament were discontinued. Common sense certainly has much to do with it and common sense prevailed when they took these religious teachings and entrenched them in NZ law in the same way as their "home" country had done.	Roscoe (6288)
642056	2008-02-20 23:42:00	No way should religion be taught in school. Absolutely not. Unless you can prove it then no. I highly doubt it took religion to realise murder was bad. Religion and politics..... look at the US, most eastern Europe countries.... 'nuff said. As for letting kids decide, instead of having religion forced on them and brainwashed at an early age, maybe wait until they can think for themselves. They just may surprise you. History is written by the victors, not the correct.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
642057	2008-02-20 23:47:00	I highly doubt it took religion to realise murder was bad Extremists actually use it as a 'divine reason' to execute people. Have to agree about the other thing you said though - that religion should never be taught in schools. Same goes with Intelligent Design. It's hardly science at all. If NZ ever replaces evolution with Intelligent Design, it's when I pack my bags and live in the jungle.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
642058	2008-02-21 00:13:00	www.xenu.net http://www.xenu.net/ There's a lot of people out there who think it is MUCH worse than "just another silly cult".	george12 (7)
642059	2008-02-21 03:15:00	Same goes with Intelligent Design. It's hardly science at all. "hardly"? I think the word you were searching for is "not".	Biggles (121)
642060	2008-02-21 03:19:00	At the moment Intelligent Design is the scariest. They are part of some school teachings in the states now. Very sad.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
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