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Thread ID: 87446	2008-02-21 08:42:00	Bunnings new slogan ! Lowest Wages !	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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642482	2008-02-22 23:54:00	What really interests me is that if our wages are much lower than those in Australia how come we still get Aussie beer here about the same price as ours. We should be exporting ship loads (or **** loads) of it to them. The grass on the other side of the fence is always greener. Been to Australia and I came back. I spent around 12 years there and that was approximately 11.75 years too long. I did have some good times though.	Sweep (90)
642483	2008-02-23 00:55:00	The thing is, that NZers pay the same if not slightly more than Australians, for the same goods they purchase at Bunnings. Also the costs of operating in NZ are probably cheaper, so there shouldn't really be any reason why they can't pay a similar, or the same wage. I personally don't like these offshore companies (mainly Australian) coming to NZ, setting up these large big box shops, and sucking money out of NZs economy , sending our money back to Oz. They come in , undercut the local stores on some of their products to get the punter in the door, and over charge on other products, where they make the moeny. The less money they pay for NZ staff, they more money that Australia gets.It appears that NZers have very little loyality to NZ owned business and retailers, and just go for the cheapest thing, which in the long run, doesn't help NZ economy. I think there should be a public campaign for NZers to support NZ owned business, like the buy NZ campaign. Even Australia and The US are more supportive of their own companies than we are. I agree 100% The fact that they are selling the same stuff at the same prices and yet paying 50% less wages means they are making a fortune here in NZ. Regards Digby	Digby (677)
642484	2008-02-23 01:28:00	I agree 100% The fact that they are selling the same stuff at the same prices and yet paying 50% less wages means they are making a fortune here in NZ. Regards Digby Ozzy retailers love to take advantage of NZers, we are a cash cow for them. I am sure it is a similar thing with other Ozzy retailers that trade in NZ, and there are a lot of them now. Someone should setup a website showing the Ozzie retailers and NZ owned retailers, so we know which ones to support.	robbyp (2751)
642485	2008-02-23 01:34:00	They might get better pay but is it as good as living in NZ? I have a mate, who is a fully qualified electrician, and he is going to work in Oz, in one of the mines, because he can get about three or four times his NZ wage in Oz dollars. He is only going to do it for about a year though, just to get the most of the mortgage paid off. A LOT of money involved in the mines over there. Doesn't matter what you do, you can make big money even being remotely involved with them, ie diesel mechanic for the trucks and stuff there. I heard a good diesel mechanic will get flown to Aus, 4 days working there, back here 4 days and so on. 4 days on, 4 days off, free flights, free accommodation, and extremely good pay.	--Wolf-- (128)
642486	2008-02-23 01:38:00	The thing is, that NZers pay the same if not slightly more than Australians, for the same goods they purchase at Bunnings . Also the costs of operating in NZ are probably cheaper, so there shouldn't really be any reason why they can't pay a similar, or the same wage . I personally don't like these offshore companies (mainly Australian) coming to NZ, setting up these large big box shops, and sucking money out of NZs economy , sending our money back to Oz . They come in , undercut the local stores on some of their products to get the punter in the door, and over charge on other products, where they make the moeny . The less money they pay for NZ staff, they more money that Australia gets . It appears that NZers have very little loyality to NZ owned business and retailers, and just go for the cheapest thing, which in the long run, doesn't help NZ economy . I think there should be a public campaign for NZers to support NZ owned business, like the buy NZ campaign . Even Australia and The US are more supportive of their own companies than we are . What can NZ do . The best is a NZ operator but the next best option is may be international . Even though it may choose to send a lot of money out of NZ, tt provides people jobs in NZ, help a bit in terms of city dev, crime, provides stores to NZ to buy more stuff, increases competition . Any input is better than nothing . I think being a NZ operator is not necessarily the best and only way . Starting up in NZ as a NZ operator and then shipping it offshore cos its cheaper to operate can be seen as a good strategic option . Businesses be it NZ or foreign ones are there to make money . One can cut cost and compete in this larger market and one can start business ventures offshore as well as in NZ .	Nomad (952)
642487	2008-02-23 10:00:00	What can NZ do. The best is a NZ operator but the next best option is may be international. Even though it may choose to send a lot of money out of NZ, tt provides people jobs in NZ, help a bit in terms of city dev, crime, provides stores to NZ to buy more stuff, increases competition. Any input is better than nothing. I think being a NZ operator is not necessarily the best and only way. Starting up in NZ as a NZ operator and then shipping it offshore cos its cheaper to operate can be seen as a good strategic option. Businesses be it NZ or foreign ones are there to make money. One can cut cost and compete in this larger market and one can start business ventures offshore as well as in NZ. I think a good example of a NZ owned large scale successful retailer, that is operating in NZ, is the Warehouse. The profit they make stays in NZ, to support the NZ economy. Sure a lot of the stuff they bring in is made in China, however they do also support NZ made stuff, unlike some of these Ozzie owned retailers. The warehouse however were not able to make it happen in Oz, which is a failure as it shows that Oz is a very different retail market. However some other NZ owned retailers have done well in OZ, including Pumpkin Patch and Micheal Hill, so we do have some NZers who know how to do it.	robbyp (2751)
642488	2008-02-23 10:50:00	I think by in large, its attractive to do send funds offshore even for a NZ company . Because there is more opportunity to seize . Its more possible to make bigger money that way . There are some companies that invested in NZ but imho that is not the majority . As harsh it sounds . Results and numbers speaks for success . NZ is a small place, a remote place, small population size . I think its Australia because they are v near us geography wise . NZ is a small place and they may be more familiar and in terms of logistics . Other countries are quite a bit if distance away from us . IMO if I was a Asian nation, even if I could target NZ, I would target other parts of Asia or into EU and North America, the market size is just so much larger . If NZ was in Europe, we would have other countries coming over and doing their business . Fisher and Paykel, AirNZ to an extent, Telecom, Fonterra, they are doing more things offshore, going on the stockmarket . IMHO when China/India etc becomes too expensive with the living standards I think the big companies will move to less developed countries like Latin America and such . People will go where the money is . They have shareholders breathing behind their back and the world is getting better and better at doing things, that rat race just becomes even more harder . Many of NZ's dairy is cheaper overseas when its made here . Overseas get access to more NZ seafood than what NZ has . Many of the stuff are just allocated to overseas than the NZ market because there are more dollars to be made . People will buy it and will pay big dollars for them . Professional career people, even some students will try to gain that international experience to market themselves better . Sports people do it, even our own families and friends do it . Its a professional market out there . Many public and private organisations have offshore offices . Its also about perception . In Paris, Champs de Elysees a NZ leather bag named as "Wanganui" sells for $800US equiv . It may of been designed in NZ and made in China . Selling alongside Gucci . They are selling like hotcakes . A NZ made bag will find difficulty selling at $1200NZ let alone the quantities . The other way round, for NZ businesses who has made it into the northern hemisphere, its seen as a kiwi success . Not saying if that is right or wrong . I think, anything what people or a country does there are tradeoffs . NZ has chosen to be more a green image and a more welfare state and that have to be balanced from somewhere else . Some other countries would provide more priority towards productivity .	Nomad (952)
642489	2008-02-23 14:15:00	it was stated that Bunnings in Australia pay $18.00 per hour, I don't know if they pay as little as this, but it isn't a good wage here - Lolly Pop men on traffic duty get that - the average earnings in Australia are $60k per annum, so judge for yourselves.	KenESmith (6287)
642490	2008-02-23 19:02:00	Ozzy retailers love to take advantage of NZers, we are a cash cow for them. I am sure it is a similar thing with other Ozzy retailers that trade in NZ, and there are a lot of them now. Someone should setup a website showing the Ozzie retailers and NZ owned retailers, so we know which ones to support. Yes I have often thought of doing that. And suggesting what New Zealand things to buy ! Regards Digby	Digby (677)
642491	2008-02-23 21:33:00	it was stated that Bunnings in Australia pay $18.00 per hour, I don't know if they pay as little as this, but it isn't a good wage here - Lolly Pop men on traffic duty get that - the average earnings in Australia are $60k per annum, so judge for yourselves. Hmm... as a person and who know others who work in NZ and has a postgraduate degree working in a major organisation in NZ (nationwide with international offices), in the strategic division (ok I am not a manager) I don't even get the average wage of the Oz. A person was working in NZ getting like $35,000NZ as a call centre operator, goes to Oz and gets $70,000AU doing the same job. He notes there are even 18yr olds doing entry jobs like that and getting paid $50k. In 2004 when I did a summer time contract with a call centre job, I was paid $12 an hour before tax, $14 an hour after training, if people chosen for permanent contracts that rate drops to $12 an hour (fixed term or temp contracts are a bit better paid to lure people in), senior people were being paid $17 (about $35k NZD before tax) which is what you call as temporary floor walkers or supervisors. Real managers would be paid more than that. Yup if we get $60k is it, than we get taxes at 39% arn't it or something :thumbs: That means we are too rich.	Nomad (952)
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