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Thread ID: 87325 2008-02-17 05:44:00 Air Disaster in Paraparaumu today wainuitech (129) PC World Chat
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640984 2008-02-17 08:32:00 Air Traffic Control is normally in contact with all aircraft, in it's air space at all times. If not there are some big questions to be asked.

no air traffic control at pram airport. or so they said on the news. I presume your talking about the man in the tower:confused:
plod (107)
640985 2008-02-17 08:33:00 ...and if they both swerve left?
Wrong wording....but I got your point.

Touche. :thumbs:
qazwsxokmijn (102)
640986 2008-02-17 16:54:00 I don't understand how you can have a crash mid-air. I mean, you have no other traffic beside you, when you see a large metal object coming at you, why can't you swerve to the right/left??

:confused: :confused: :confused:
If you have no other traffic - - -

When you DON'T see a small metal object things go astray. When landing, it is easy to focus just on the landing and so not remember to look out as much as usual.
R2x1 (4628)
640987 2008-02-17 17:58:00 Simply a case of pilots failing to maintain a lookout for other aircraft. JJJJJ (528)
640988 2008-02-17 18:53:00 ...and if they both swerve left?

Then there would've been no accident.
--Wolf-- (128)
640989 2008-02-17 18:56:00 If you are on a converging air path with another aircraft then it appears as if the other aircraft is not moving - it just gets slowly larger and larger. If, as well as that, the aircraft is set against the ground rather than having the sky as background - then it becomes even more difficult to spot.

But any air to air collision is very bad luck in the end. The sky is a very big place and for two relatively small moving objects in it to occupy exactly the same space at the exactly the same moment is very bad luck really. It's why it doesn't happen very often.
Deane F (8204)
640990 2008-02-17 23:50:00 no air traffic control at pram airport. or so they said on the news. I presume your talking about the man in the tower:confused:
Yes, evidently Paraparaumu lost it's Limited Air Traffic
Control Service in1997[B].!
BobM (1138)
640991 2008-02-17 23:55:00 Air Traffic Control is normally in contact with all aircraft, in it's air space at all times. If not there are some big questions to be asked.

According to this (www.stuff.co.nz)

Despite being one of the New Zealand's busiest airports, Paraparaumu is an uncontrolled airspace. The authority said it was too early to say if this would be reviewed.

Pilots were furious when the airport lost its flight information service in 1997. At the time, Kapiti Aero Club instructor Brian Sherborne said it would take a midair crash to make authorities realise the danger of scrapping the service.

SO ATC dont deal with this area.
Speedy Gonzales (78)
640992 2008-02-18 00:03:00 When landing at an uncontrolled airport there are rules for approach and patterns. All pilots know the rules.

If anything, controlled airspace has a greater chance of mid-air collision than uncontrolled airspace.
Deane F (8204)
640993 2008-02-18 01:44:00 I don't understand how you can have a crash mid-air. I mean, you have no other traffic beside you, when you see a large metal object coming at you, why can't you swerve to the right/left??

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Pilots do not have the visibility car drivers have.
They have to look in all directions - up & down - left & right - in front & behind. They also have a mass of instruments, they must watch.
The speeds for even light "slow" aircraft are in the car racing area. Approaching each other at a combined speed of over 200mph is quite something.
Additionally there is really nothing like a quick swerve on either a boat or a plane. In each case the rudder has to move and then the device will "start" to turn. (In a car the moment the wheels turn the car turns)
Additionally the pilot also has to apply bank.
One can only start to imagine the horror those pilots went through in the split seconds when they were aware of a crash about to happen.
Of course they may never have realised just what did happen.
A great tragedy.
Tom
Thomas01 (317)
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