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Thread ID: 87356	2008-02-18 05:51:00	Are New Zealanders Bad Drivers?	legod (4626)	PC World Chat

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641525	2008-02-22 04:07:00	With traction control I can go as fast as ... :rolleyes: oh and with ABS and airbags I don't need life insurance. Hey - with all these gizmo's you don't need seat belts. Maybe we can say if you got a flash car .. you don't get a speeding fine, cos they are the exception.	Nomad (952)
641526	2008-02-22 05:14:00	i think solmeister should get a bike, seeing as in 27 years he's never had an accident so he never will, why not? (though i also get driven mad by people doing 80kph - bikes can pass quickly and don't need much room to do it in) fact is, you can be the model driver, in a brand new volvo, even "travelling at such a speed that you can stop safely in the clear distance ahead", yet some retard will do a u turn from their parallel park without looking nor indicating and kill you both. i nearly got seriously injured a few weeks ago on SH2 where an idiot was doing a U turn just past a blind bridge/crest. i braked, they froze, then decided to move again to get out of my lane - by which point i had already swerved into the right hand lane) which meant i had to fly into a gravel shoulder. sure my bike will do 100-0 in 3 seconds, but in that time you travel pretty damn far then there was my mate who flew round a blind corner to find some retard in a landcruiser reversing up the road. luckily he stopped with about a metre to spare. tis a shame the car behind him couldn't stop so quickly :groan:	motorbyclist (188)
641527	2008-02-22 05:20:00	again its not slow cars thats the problem its mentally slow drivers. you know the ones, they just can't make up their mind what to do until its too late. today, in the car (bike being repainted right now), i had the joy of following a driver who felt 20kph was an appropriate speed for a 50 kph zone. safe to say i saw alot of green lights go red before us. then she started indicating left, while still on the centreline, and came to nearly a complete stop before turning into a carpark. i don't think at any time she considered how many people were going to be late for appointments etc etc because of her. never saw her use her mirrors either. inconsiderate, incompetent, and probably inattentive too atleast she wasn't like the driver last night weaving across lanes - talking on a cell phone, reading something off a clipboard	motorbyclist (188)
641528	2008-02-22 06:29:00	Good job, I am sick of W**kers on the road holding people up. There is NO excuse for people driving below 100Km on the open highway with motor vehicle and their safety provisions nowadays. You sound exactly like the type of impatient, aggressive moron that we could do without on our roads. I personally know a police forensic photographer who investigates fatal crash scenes. He told me that a very high proportion of road accidents he sees are the result of people making bad overtaking maneuvers due to impatience. Given the fact that many people here seem to only focus on getting past the vehicle in front (regardless of what speed it's doing), I can believe him. Just because the open road limit is 100km/h, that does not mean the safe speed to do is 100. You drive to the road conditions. You can't honestly expect everyone to be going the same speed, can you? You're always going to come across tractors, cars towing trailers, buses, trucks etc. If you're following a slower vehicle, it's your responsibility to keep your distance, remain patient, and wait for a safe opportunity to pass. Why anyone should feel a desperate urge to pass a vehicle already doing 90-100 is beyond me. Ok - there are a number of drivers out there who plod along at 80k in good road conditions, slower than the general flow of traffic and they are often oblivious to what's behind them. But these drivers are far outnumbered by the number of tailgating, impatient, irrational idiots who seem to think they are being inconvenienced by getting "stuck" behind someone already doing 90-110. They're attitude is simply that everyone in front of them should pull over and let them past. Pull over how far? Unless the road is excessively wide, you can't expect someone to pull over far enough to create an extra lane. Most of the roads I've driven in NZ have reasonably regular passing lanes/slow vehicle lanes or a straight section of road at least every few Kms. All I expect of a slower vehicle is that they keep left so at least I can have a clear view of the road ahead so I can judge a safe opportunity to pass. Alot of impatient drivers only have themselves to blame for getting stuck behind traffic. If you are following too closely, how can you expect to have a clear view of the road ahead? Also, tailgaters take longer to overtake because they are still going the same speed as the vehicle they are following when they pull out. If you're so impatient that you feel the need to risk your life to get past the vehicle in front, you simply should not be on the road. Don't blame slower drivers/vehicles for your own irrational behaviour, no matter how inconsiderate you think they they are. The impatient types always seem to think they are being 'held up', regardless of how fast the car in front is going.	legod (4626)
641529	2008-02-22 06:38:00	Well maybe SolMiester can be responsible for other people's injuries and deaths. 100km is 100km right? :rolleyes:	Nomad (952)
641530	2008-02-22 06:48:00	Just out of interest, has anyone ever seen a car being pulled over for going too slow in a 100k zone? Where we live (admittedly a rural are) we are constantly frustrated by people doing 80-90k with 30 or so car's backed up behind. There are few passing areas and the frustration just makes poeple do extremely dangerous passing manouveres. I have lost count of the number of times we have spotted a police car driving in the opposite direction yet doing nothing about the situation. We have witnessed on more than one occasion a driver getting agro and overtaking on the straight with no oncoming traffic. Guess who get's pulled over doing no more than 110k? (that's an estimation obviously). The traffic backed up behind the slow driver are still there while the traffic cop is busy writing out his quota for the day!! Anyone dare to tell me it's not about revenue gathering? BTW, this slow driving is not confined to lady drivers or the oldies. Yes - I've seen people get pulled over for going excessively slow in good conditions. Usually they were on their cellphone, weren't keeping left and not paying attention. The answer is simple. Don't get frustrated. No-one 'makes' anyone attempt a dangerous overtaking maneuver. Only the person controlling the vehicle can make that decision. If they're not mentally stable enough to tolerate other road users or to recognise that risking their life to shave a few minutes/seconds off a journey just isn't worth it, then they should not be on the road.:badpc: You're never going to get rid of slower drivers. Even if you removed all the mentally slow ones - you'll still have to deal with heavy-laden vehicles (which make up the bulk of slow traffic). One other thing - compared with many other countries we have hardly any traffic on our roads. Why do so many people here get irrationally impatient about getting stuck behind one or two vehicles for such a short distance? The number of times I see a crazy piece of overtaking when the idiot simply had to wait a few more corners and lo and behold...a straight section of road (or a passing lane!).	legod (4626)
641531	2008-02-22 06:53:00	One of our cars - 1.3L auto sedan going up the Ngauranga Gorge struggles at 60km. :D If you go over the speed limit and and say go at 90 instead of 80 and shoot it up you may get via most of it 75-80 - there is also a speed camera up there. What next - ban all small cars and everyone needs a 1.6 or 1.8L.	Nomad (952)
641532	2008-02-22 08:21:00	No-one 'makes' anyone attempt a dangerous overtaking maneuver. with exception of the "forced overtake maneuver" (hit indicator and stop to make traffic behind to overtake. often done on entrance to corner, oncoming traffic etc and when traffic starts to overtake, take off forcing them into oncoming traffic). haven't seen it for a while. seems to have died down a bit. that bit of BS has done the rounds through the RSA, bowling clubs, etc etc. usually old people being taught to be nasty under the guise of being nice.	tweak'e (69)
641533	2008-02-22 08:25:00	You sound exactly like the type of impatient, aggressive moron that we could do without on our roads . I personally know a police forensic photographer who investigates fatal crash scenes . He told me that a very high proportion of road accidents he sees are the result of people making bad overtaking maneuvers due to impatience . Given the fact that many people here seem to only focus on getting past the vehicle in front (regardless of what speed it's doing), I can believe him . Therefore on open highway, slow drivers are a hazard . You might come from backwater townships mate, but I am from the city, motorway are for traveling swiftly from town to town, not tractors or Post man pat and his cat . As I said, 15 counties I have driven in, I have a fair amount of driving experience, Grandapa, or Fred Dag & his dog are just accident waiting to happen when they hold up intercity traffic! . If you had bothered to read all my posts on the matter you would have noticed I said I use cruise control usually at the speed limit . I never said I was a tailgater . I cant believe the reply from some people, do you need spoon feeding of the obvious? You said I was making stupid passing move . Ah f**k, not worth continuing this	SolMiester (139)
641534	2008-02-22 08:59:00	Therefore on open highway, slow drivers are a hazard. You might come from backwater townships mate, but I am from the city, motorway are for traveling swiftly from town to town, not tractors or Post man pat and his cat. As I said, 15 counties I have driven in, I have a fair amount of driving experience, Grandapa, or Fred Dag & his dog are just accident waiting to happen when they hold up intercity traffic!. If you had bothered to read all my posts on the matter you would have noticed I said I use cruise control usually at the speed limit. I never said I was a tailgater. I cant believe the reply from some people, do you need spoon feeding of the obvious? You said I was making stupid passing move. Ah f**k, not worth continuing this Slow drivers aren't a hazard because they are going slow. The hazards are impatient people who can't tolerate other road users, don't anticipate, and don't know how to overtake properly. Maybe you haven't learned that much from all your years of experience on the road. Experienced drivers aren't necessarily good drivers. A good driver wouldn't complain about slow traffic because they'd know how to negotiate it safely without any stress. You didn't have to say you were a tailgater. But given your attitude, it wouldn't surprise me if you did it regularly.	legod (4626)
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