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Thread ID: 87669	2008-02-29 15:34:00	Got to tell some sh*t	rob_on_guitar (4196)	PC World Chat

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645030	2008-03-01 09:19:00	Actually, you're missing the point of what I was trying to say, or rather reply to. People can do stupid things when they're drunk, but what's worse than that is people doing stupid things to drunk people, ie killing them. That's like killing a baby because he/she cried too much, but in a few years you would regret that (aside from being in jail) because the baby would no longer be crying (as much) and obviously wouldn't be a baby anymore. Some drunk guy attacks you on the street, you kill him. That drunk guy could've been the same person that no more than a day ago rode the bus with you, answered your call at Telecom, taught your kid maths at school, served you at the supermarket, but you didn't feel the need to kill them then did you? Sure they didn't attack you, but they weren't (well you'd hope not) drunk and had no intentions of doing that. Possibly you are missing my point. I am saying that if you do something that is obviously wrong and then use an excuse in a court that you were under the influence of drink or drugs and you never would have acted the way you did normally without that influence so what!!! I take it that you may not believe in self defence. That drunk person attacks me and unprovoked by me I would attempt to subdue that person by any means at hand. If me or mine that I care about are attacked and I feel that my or their life is threatened I will do whatever it takes and what I may be capable of at this time in my life. I would not expect to be attacked by an out of control supermarket checkout person. But then in America we have people who go to school and presumably do not expect to be shot during the school day. At this moment I have my back door open and I am home. If you walked in without knocking I may be justified in giving you a belt around the head if you are carring a weapon. For what it is worth I do not have any rifles, pistols etc here. I do have some regrets over various life decisions I made but I take responsibility for that. I use nicotine and alcohol but it is my choice.	Sweep (90)
645031	2008-03-01 09:24:00	No, again it's nothing to do with the excuse. If someone attacked me, I'd sure as hell give them what they deserve, but honestly would you WANT to KILL someone because they attacked you? Yeah, sure at the time you would, and I wouldn't blame you. But I think I've posted this before, but I'll post it again some time again a bouncer at a club headbutted a drunk guy who was causing havoc outside the club, the guy fell and hit his head and died. Now $20 says the bouncer had no intentions of killing the guy, and I bet he is really regretting headbutting him.	--Wolf-- (128)
645032	2008-03-01 09:38:00	Ok, you don't get my logic, but I don't get your (was it you that said it? dunno now) logic for wanting to kill someone (tho admittedly wanting and doing are two different things) for attacking a person / you. Nah, I myself won't kill unless necessary. But when a criminal is killed, I'm glad. Even if the killing was done by my own hands. That way, the criminal is no longer able to harm any other innocent person. So, if someone assaulted me, for no reason at all, and I killed him, I'll be over the moon. One, because I'll get my own justice, and two, I'll know that bastard will never harm a soul again. Ever. So yeah, it was me who said I'd be happy if I killed such a criminal, in self defence, or to save another person's life. Obviously I won't be hunting down criminals. Chances are they'll kill me before I kill them :lol:	qazwsxokmijn (102)
645033	2008-03-01 09:43:00	No, again it's nothing to do with the excuse. If someone attacked me, I'd sure as hell give them what they deserve, but honestly would you WANT to KILL someone because they attacked you? Yeah, sure at the time you would, and I wouldn't blame you. But I think I've posted this before, but I'll post it again some time again a bouncer at a club headbutted a drunk guy who was causing havoc outside the club, the guy fell and hit his head and died. Now $20 says the bouncer had no intentions of killing the guy, and I bet he is really regretting headbutting him. OK. I see your point but circumstances alter cases. One might think that the bouncer exceeded his duties in going outside the club and headbutting anyone. If this person was causing havoc outside the club why did the bouncer do this? Was the bouncer charged with murder or manslaughter? If you walked into my place and I set my attack cat onto you then you had a heart attack. You just happend to have a heart attack at that time because you are allergic to cat fur. Was this intentional for example? We could debate this for some time if you wish.	Sweep (90)
645034	2008-03-01 09:44:00	Nah, I myself won't kill unless necessary. But when a criminal is killed, I'm glad. Even if the killing was done by my own hands. That way, the criminal is no longer able to harm any other innocent person. So, if someone assaulted me, for no reason at all, and I killed him, I'll be over the moon. One, because I'll get my own justice, and two, I'll know that bastard will never harm a soul again. Ever. So yeah, it was me who said I'd be happy if I killed such a criminal, in self defence, or to save another person's life. Obviously I won't be hunting down criminals. Chances are they'll kill me before I kill them :lol: Yea ok, back on track with you then. Why does someone, and this is where drugs/alcohol come in, who attacks you suddenly make them a criminal? I've been done over on the street before, but the person who did it is not a bad person, he was just high at the time. But obviously I see it wayy differently to you. OK. I see your point but circumstances alter cases. One might think that the bouncer exceeded his duties in going outside the club and headbutting anyone. If this person was causing havoc outside the club why did the bouncer do this? Was the bouncer charged with murder or manslaughter? If you walked into my place and I set my attack cat onto you then you had a heart attack. You just happend to have a heart attack at that time because you are allergic to cat fur. Was this intentional for example? We could debate this for some time if you wish. I think he was charged with manslaughter, but I mean all he did was try and keep things under control, but in no way do I commend (right word?) what he did, but I do feel sorry for him that he has to live with that. Wait, you have an attack cat? It depends, if you knew the cat was gonna give me a heart attack, then yes, it was intentional. But I somehow doubt that bouncer knew the guy was gonna hit his head and die. That's like someone attacking you on the street, you fighting back, them falling and (lets go for something extreme) getting impaled by a huge, sharpened iron post. It wasn't intentional, you were just trying to defend yourself, but now you've got a death on your hands. In the above, what would've been better? Fighting back and killing the guy (unintentionally) or not fighting back? Even if you got badly hurt.	--Wolf-- (128)
645035	2008-03-01 09:46:00	It might not matter to you...but I sure as hell don't think I could live easy knowing I just beat the **** out of a drunk Nun, which led to her death. Lol. :lol: A nun has the right set of mind. When you do something when you're drunk, it's always influenced by your ethics and morality. When I get drunk, I do silly stuff I wouldn't do when I'm sober, but I've never done anything that would have defied my ethics and morality my parents have taught me. Surely you can't expect a drunk nun defying Jesus and beat the crap of some other person. Heck, a nun wouldn't get drunk in the first place, and even if she did, could we call her a nun? I know of a few people who get into fights when drunk, and their actions are influenced by their lack of ethics - which is mostly thinking the fists talk loud. But these are just stupid teenage brawls, in which both parties wish to fight.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
645036	2008-03-01 09:57:00	That's like someone attacking you on the street, you fighting back, them falling and (lets go for something extreme) getting impaled by a huge, sharpened iron post. It wasn't intentional, you were just trying to defend yourself, but now you've got a death on your hands. The death of certain people would not matter a speck. I would never feel guilty or bad for killing a real criminal, someone who rapes women, who kills innocent people, who assaults people for no reason. Why? Because if they continued to live, they're just going to put many more victims on their list. And when they are caught, let's say, they'll leech their pathetic wasteful lives from us. Our money. Used to keep their sad, miserable and parasitic existence in this world. In the above, what would've been better? Fighting back and killing the guy (unintentionally) or not fighting back? Even if you got badly hurt. Fighting back and killing the guy unintentionally. It's in human nature to defend oneself. I'm not going to let someone whoop my ass when I don't even know the guy (or girl, although it's unlikely). EDIT: :lol:, oh, and Sweep, if you did have an 'attack cat', you'll most likely be charged with some sort of killing I guess. After all, you DID train a cat to kill someone.....cats are normally placid and wouldn't give a toss. Dogs are another story. Most dogs will defend their family till the end.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
645037	2008-03-01 10:03:00	Fighting back and killing the guy unintentionally. It's in human nature to defend oneself. I'm not going to let someone whoop my ass when I don't even know the guy (or girl, although it's unlikely). Ok, fair enough. So you'd rather end up in jail than a hospital then?	--Wolf-- (128)
645038	2008-03-01 10:06:00	Ok, fair enough. So you'd rather end up in jail than a hospital then? Why would I be in jail? The guy attacked me first, I tried to defend myself, and killing him in the process. :confused: :confused: :confused:	qazwsxokmijn (102)
645039	2008-03-01 10:11:00	Why would I be in jail? The guy attacked me first, I tried to defend myself, and killing him in the process. :confused: :confused: :confused: Someone gave you a black eye, you gave someone a gravestone. Hmmm	--Wolf-- (128)
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