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Thread ID: 87599	2008-02-27 06:01:00	Petrol prices - will you use less	Nomad (952)	PC World Chat

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644108	2008-02-27 19:39:00	I got to use a Car for work - Theres no way in hell I'm going to take a bus / train to a customers house and then have to carry the PC back to the workshop on public transport, then return it the same way.:groan: :D Wainuitech: You have no sense of adventure! What's wrong with cycling up and down the hill with a PC under your arm? Too soft! My father told me stories of cycling up that hill before the road was sealed (1930s I think) so if he could do it, why not you? Granted, he did not have a PC under his arm, but it was a hard slog on a metal road, nevertheless. why is a motorbike/moped never considered an option?! riding my little brother's FXR150, an excellent commuter bike we bought for two grand, these past few weeks the worst economy i've gotten from it (and i thrash it) was 30km/L... suzuki claims it'll do 50km/L even on my 400cc sportsbike, for me bike is cheaper, faster, easier, much more fun and much more convienient than public transport, plus i don't add to auckland's conjestion/parking woes. and most importantly, there's no bus routes that match my 55km commute home->uni->work->home In my job I crawl (drive?) the northern motorway most mornings and am always impressed by the speed of the motorbikes. They weave through all the slow moving traffic at a fraction of the price. If you must take your own transport then I have to agree, on the motorway the motorbike is the way. Wot a load of crap ! If that were true the motorways would be half empty and the cycle lanes would be full etc etc. And the trains would be overloaded. Regards Digby Digby, I don't know about Wellywood, but certainly the trains in Auckland are not coping with the increased patronage, which is one of the reasons why they have duplicated the west line and there are millions of dollars of other work going on. Eventually the network will be electrified. The rolling stock has been ordered. One of the reasons for the increase is improved rolling stock (compared with the 60 year old rubbish they had previously) and improved service. Even the defunct Onehunga line is being rejuvenated. Something had to happen as the motorways have not been coping for years. Personally I don't understand travelling to work at 5kph when the trains and buses speed past you. I can't understand the reasoning. Crazy!:groan:	Roscoe (6288)
644109	2008-02-27 20:10:00	There is NO public transport where I live. I'm 28km from one town and 42km from the other so no, I have to put up with the petrol prices. Unless they start providing horse parking there............	pctek (84)
644110	2008-02-27 21:35:00	Just thought about last night. Even if NZ has tons of money and it chooses to upgrade its public transport. Some people may choose to use that, then when the roads free up, some may prefer back to driving. I think you may never be able to fight traffic. Sure, the petrol prices has gone up over the years proportionally but nominally its not that much given what people spend on booze and coffee etc. If a person did spend $20 more on petrol assuming that like $40 went to $60 kinda thing. I mean what can $20 buy? Many/most people won't even notice that difference. Even if the petrol did go to say $4 a litre, a avg petrol per week of say $40 goes to $80. That's still just $40. Its not a disaster. Some people spend more on booze on a half evening with that. I have talked to some people who have worked overseas like London and they may say its got a fantastic transport system. 24/7 buses and maybe trains as well. The first nation to incorporate underground trains if not mistaken. The bus stops even tell you when the bus will arrive, the buses are equipped with GPS and it will tell you if its on time and or if it will be late and the approximate minutes late by. This was in Brighton. London and like Hong Kong, Japan etc. Does have a good transport system. Trains can come every 2 or 3mins. But the condition is sardine cans. You packed right in so tightly when you do not need to hold the rails cos the other person can hold you up as you are shoulder to shoulder with people, you smell each other's perfume and perspiration. Since they had it for so long I think that their perception has changed that they expect this is what it is going to be so they just accept it. Most people are not self employed. So .. its like saying, you want to use public transport and get to work on time or lose your job. IMO traffic may not be able to be controlled, and if they want people to use them more by the masses, they need to force people. This may be self inflicted ie., use public transport and be on time or lose your job. Some other countries has more expensive petrol than us, road tolls, hiked up road costs. Maybe in the distant future NZ is about apartment living, food stores not far in walking distances, a better transport system for those who want to use it an their job is not dictated by it, supermarkets who may start to provide courtesy transport for customers (like Dunedin New World), road tolls and hiked up roads cost fees and the like. Some will require time permits when a car goes into another area, ie., they via a checkpoint when they want to visit a family/friend and pay the amount for doing so by the time. With regards to petrol prices. I think even if we have bio fuels if not mistaken Shell petrol has a stake in that industry as well. I think, when bio fuel takes off, is there enough of that stuff for worldwide use everyday? So I think while it may be more environmentally friendly I expect the price of bio fuels to be rocketed up. Just another commercial good. Maybe when they have water car - but hmm.. when water shortage comes that may not be such a good alternative either :rolleyes:	Nomad (952)
644111	2008-02-27 21:59:00	In the city I think people may $10-30 a day depending where they go. I think double the parking fees. May take some people off the roads. Even if petrol goes up to $5.00. For a commuter to work that $40 may get to $120 that still may not be enough. They the couple may just share the vehicle. Drop the wife off and then picks the wife after work. Going more than $5.00 or even at that figure is just not realistic for the oil price (anytime soon). I am not sure if you can drop the bus/train fares cos the business still has to be feasible. If so not by much. I believe for people who want to drive, cheap public transport is not something that would sway them. They may think, well driving does not cos that much .. I booze/coffee more than that .. so I just drive kinda thing. Also driving can be seen a status symbol. They are able to listen to music, have the A/C on, sit on their sheepskin seats and eat their toast and do their makeup :D	Nomad (952)
644112	2008-02-27 22:01:00	I got to use a Car for work - Theres no way in hell I'm going to take a bus / train to a customers house and then have to carry the PC back to the workshop on public transport, then return it the same way.:groan: :D Bah, lazy! I brought at 17" CRT monitor on trademe, and carried it home on the bus (got a few strange looks, but for $3.30 incl. bus fare you can't argue, and it works a treat).	ubergeek85 (131)
644113	2008-02-27 22:35:00	I want to buy one of these, which will avoid petrol price issues: http://www.theaircar.com/	somebody (208)
644114	2008-02-28 00:53:00	I enjoy public transport probably from my international travels that I have done, I enjoy the crowd the traffic and public transport its more active, you are able to brisk walk to the bus stop of train station and brisk away out of there and into the office. Same here, after my travelling around Europe for nearly 6 months last year, I have found public transport to be enjoyable (yes I know Auckland's not as good as what we experienced overseas, but it's better than nothing). I don't have to worry about finding car park & paying for it, I can sit on the train and enjoy my book or read lecture notes before/after classes. It is less than 15mins walk to the train station from my home, under 35mins I arrive at Britomart and then I walk up Queen St to university - this is about 20mins. I spend $20.50 on a 10-ride concession card every 1 1/2 weeks, so in one month thats only around $41.	caffy (2665)
644115	2008-02-28 01:13:00	Bah, lazy! I brought at 17" CRT monitor on trademe, and carried it home on the bus (got a few strange looks, but for $3.30 incl. bus fare you can't argue, and it works a treat). Not all customers live near a bus route AND carrying tools and a PC to and from a customers house would get tiring pretty quickly. Not too mention some bus drivers are pedantic and won't actually let you bring large objects onboard.	beeswax34 (63)
644116	2008-02-28 04:17:00	Personally I don't understand travelling to work at 5kph when the trains and buses speed past you. I can't understand the reasoning. Crazy!:groan: now, i use the same reasoning to not catch the bus/train for my friends who live near to me, it is still faster and cheaper to drive to uni than to bus/train:groan: auckland is far too sparse for public transport to work like it does in places like london. it only becomes truly economical and useable in very dense populations It's a very noble and Green-feelings thing and somewhat economical and espirit-de-corps and all...but there are severe downsides to Mass Transportation that don't appear on the surface. ..... now come on! do you not realise escalating transport costs are going to cripple western economies anyway? infact it looks like it already is:p sure a few mechanics go out of a job, but it is going to happen anyway once oil becomes too expensive to burn in personal vehicles change is inevitable if the industry is smart enough it'll start re-training and re-tooling once the electric fleets start moving in. will still be job losses, but that has been happening since the industrial age began infact, if it wasn't for agricultural advances increasing efficiency and putting farmers/labourers out of jobs and forcing them to move into the cities, we would most certainly not be where we are today With regards to petrol prices. I think even if we have bio fuels if not mistaken Shell petrol has a stake in that industry as well. I think, when bio fuel takes off, is there enough of that stuff for worldwide use everyday? So I think while it may be more environmentally friendly I expect the price of bio fuels to be rocketed up. Just another commercial good. Maybe when they have water car - but hmm.. when water shortage comes that may not be such a good alternative either :rolleyes: firstly, bio-fuel is an ecological and environmental disaster in the making. don't buy into the green image they are trying to set up - the land cleared to grow the crops releases ridiculous volumes of CO2 along with directly harming the environment. it isn't "carbon neutral" for years, and the fertilisers used to make half decent yields are all derived from oil anyway secondly, it is already putting food prices up thirdly, changing to electricity/hydrogen will solve alot of our air pollution/health problems I want to buy one of these, which will avoid petrol price issues: http://www.theaircar.com/ a battery and electric engine is a much more efficient and a much safer way to store/use energy than compressed air, hydrogen, or nitrogen plus we already have a distribution network for electricity i guarantee you electric cars are the future - we're already seeing electric hybrids, not long before the major manufacturers drop the petrol there are already electric cars available that can compete against petrol	motorbyclist (188)
644117	2008-02-28 04:30:00	Wainuitech: You have no sense of adventure! What's wrong with cycling up and down the hill with a PC under your arm? Too soft! You've never carried a fulltower PC have you?	qazwsxokmijn (102)
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