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Thread ID: 87599	2008-02-27 06:01:00	Petrol prices - will you use less	Nomad (952)	PC World Chat

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644098	2008-02-27 10:40:00	I got to use a Car for work - Theres no way in hell I'm going to take a bus / train to a customers house and then have to carry the PC back to the workshop on public transport, then return it the same way.:groan: :D Same here and anyway the public transport in Whangarei is limited to a few Bus routes.	CYaBro (73)
644099	2008-02-27 10:41:00	It's so annoying when you have to go around town and changing buses when you want to get to one destination. and the ten minute walk up the hill from britomart.... there are plans to put in another train station closer to uni, but i happened to be present at an auckland city council comittee meeting where a parnell resident was objectiing, claiming another site closer to parnell was better despite it already being turned down due to the gradient and distance from uni (i was there with a group of bikers explaining (successfully:D) that if they want bikes to pay for parking, we'll all come in one bike to a park and see how well that goes down with the car drivers, or they could be more lienient about ticketing bikes that are not obstructing footpaths)	motorbyclist (188)
644100	2008-02-27 10:45:00	I will use alternative transport where I can. Took the bus to town yesterday. It was a breeze. Cost me $3 return trip!! My parking fees would have been more than that.	Marnie (4574)
644101	2008-02-27 10:55:00	When we were travelling overseas a couple of years ago we used public transport all the time (when we weren't walking.) It was a great experience riding the subway in New York and Boston, trams in San Francisco, monorail in Las Vegas, trains in Europe and Underground in London, Paris and Athens. Also took a bus from NY to Boston, ferry in Greece and of cause all the plane trips :) Do they count as public transport :confused:	CYaBro (73)
644102	2008-02-27 10:56:00	why is a motorbike/moped never considered an option?! I'd love to, but 3 things would stop me: 1. I sometimes bring alot of stuff from boxes of folders to computers to safes etc 2. Weather 3. The Mrs would never see me:lol: Otherwise hell yea. Im sure quite a few have the same problem, also we dont have company motorcycles.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
644103	2008-02-27 11:20:00	I couldn't stop driving even if petrol was $5 a litre. Most of my driving is business related and involves getting places in reasonable time, and/or carrying goods, neither of which public transport or walking helps with.	george12 (7)
644104	2008-02-27 11:25:00	I'd love to, but 3 things would stop me: 1. I sometimes bring alot of stuff from boxes of folders to computers to safes etc 2. Weather 3. The Mrs would never see me:lol: Otherwise hell yea. Im sure quite a few have the same problem, also we dont have company motorcycles. 1: oh yes fair enough, but i'm just saying that whenever there is a comparison on tv between different modes of transport, they almost always neglect the motorbike option. for someone to find the bus/cycle practical they should also find a bike/moped practical 2: toughen up! you tried waiting for a bus lately? 3: good point	motorbyclist (188)
644105	2008-02-27 12:24:00	Maybe that NZ has a small population and its spread out that funding big projects is difficult. Plus that NZ goes thru many stages of approval. I mean, the capital city don't even have a proper international airport for yrs, soon to be thou in a few yrs. 3 or 4 if not mistaken. Beijing just released its new airport built from scratched in 4 yrs :D Not complaining with the approval delay but that thing was approved right some time ago and from today to when its expected to be complete is 3 or 4yrs for an "upgrade" but Beijing did the whole planning and the whole building of a new airport by then. Not from Auckland, but is Auckland bad as larger cities of the world? Is it as bad as Paris or London or LA? I assume its not but it is something as a duty govt people need to assist in the roads. I think that people may say that they are parents and if they take them to school and then off to work or go to the Dr or the dentist or some other place, a car is required or that they go to the supermarket. A lot of places just use public transport cos its just too much traffic. I know family who like use the taxi to the bus station to go to work or the taxi to school and then to the bus station. I think but correct me if I am wrong, but in most of the major cities, managed traffic has not been successful so either the market dictates, people use alternative transport or their own cars and they just put up with what they choose. Even if you look at the v dense population cities they may have traffic and a v good transport system. I think maybe traffic is one of those things we may not be able to control. What I noticed overseas some places was they had bicycles secured at the train stations. Or that cos of the space .. they hire carparks .. and they have bicycles there to ride home. Unless you are v rich there is just no way any people in some places can have their own carparks at home.	Nomad (952)
644106	2008-02-27 16:20:00	. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I think but correct me if I am wrong, but in most of the major cities, managed traffic has not been successful so either the market dictates, people use alternative transport or their own cars and they just put up with what they choose . Even if you look at the v dense population cities they may have traffic and a v good transport system . I think maybe traffic is one of those things we may not be able to control . What I noticed overseas some places was they had bicycles secured at the train stations . Or that cos of the space . . they hire carparks . . and they have bicycles there to ride home . Unless you are v rich there is just no way any people in some places can have their own carparks at home . It's a very noble and Green-feelings thing and somewhat economical and espirit-de-corps and all . . . but there are severe downsides to Mass Transportation that don't appear on the surface . I believe that for every one or two people who DON'T drive a personal vehicle to/from work or social activities, this starts a small ball rolling that will cascade into a loss of jobs and income for a very necessary group of people and they are a watershed for a lot of other people in the work force . Sure . . . you put a few more bus drivers into drivers' seats and feed their children . . . but since they are going to be new hires, they came from an employed condition, somewhere else anyway . The mechanics will lose more and more income . . . and this is so evident here in the US . And that affects more than just the mechanics . I can think of quite a few people who are negatively impacted . . . besides the mechanics and THEIR children . It's a vicious Möbious Strip that never ends . I have only scratched the surface . . and although it is primarily from MY viewpoint as a retired mechanic . . it is going on in all facets of the food chain and work force . So . . directly affected . . and this list is very incomplete: The mechanics tool dealers and their suppliers including advertising departments uniform companies/specialty shoe stores/manufacturers parts stores/counter persons parts manufacturers and their infrastructure delivery services including the post office building owners and their mortgage holders insurance companies and their sales people tax and income revenue collections cities who need the local taxes for police/fire and emergency medical aid food markets and their employees and their lost advertising revenues food delivery services and their personnel electric/utility companies and service crews vehicle registration fees and local government offices so involved social welfare and food stamp offices grocery checkers/stock-personnel theaters/video rentals/amusement parks store managers and their families commercial building maintenance companies limousine drivers/taxi drivers gas station owners/employees/fuel delivery drivers restaurants and hotels/airlines/tourism facilities What happens is a cascade of people losing income/status and disposable incomes dwindle . Everyone tightens up their belts and hordes and holds closer to the vest things that they need to survive . Never mind the big appliances purchase . . the new bigger HDTV or the new PC or the new car or buying the new house or even fixing up the old one . I guess I don't EVEN need to rag on about the construction industry and all it's facets either . The ONLY sure thing . . and this is gleaned from an old W . C . Fields movie is . . . . "marry a woman whose father owns a liquor store" type mentality . . . . . It is very good to own a bar/pub . People will drink to celebrate their good fortune with their friends: they will drink to drown their bad fortune with the rest of the crowd . To which I add: Own a donut shop/store . People will buy donuts for the whole office in good times; they will buy a donut and a cup of coffee for their breakfast in bad times . As long as people actually DRIVE TO and FROM the bar/donut shop . . . then things are well and you are prospering . . . I think .	SurferJoe46 (51)
644107	2008-02-27 19:10:00	Some of the Journalism on TV and radio and printed media is very poor . Just because petrol went up one day, they go down to the railway station and say there is a huge move to public transport . Wot a load of crap ! If that were true the motorways would be half empty and the cycle lanes would be full etc etc . And the trains would be overloaded . I say they should wait till there is a marked increase in the use of public transport say a 10% rise in ticket sales THEN do an article on it . Eh two weeks ago the Sunday Star ran a banner headline "Who Killed Ben and Olivia ?" . So, being interested in the Scott Watson case I bought the paper . There was a very good detailed article on the evidence against him and the errors in that evidence . But the article did not once mention any other suspects names or details that may have killed Ben and Olivia ! TO me that is false advertising/journalism - I bought that paper expecting to see a list of suspects . They should have called the article "Why Scott Watson didn't do it" Regards Digby	Digby (677)
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