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Thread ID: 87797	2008-03-04 12:18:00	US election poll!	george12 (7)	PC World Chat

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646360	2008-03-07 06:20:00	So who have the Americans had as president ? A peanut farmer, a failed actor, two bushes, an adulter (Bill) and the Kennedy's yes money can buy you ultimate power.	gary67 (56)
646361	2008-03-07 06:23:00	Originally Posted by zqwerty My point is that the money should be in a Bank account earning interest not being gambled on the Stock Exchange. You need to read Warren Buffets book, as investing in the sharemarket is not gambling, in fact it is quite the opposite. NZs super fund and many government departments have got money invested in shares both in NZ and offshore. You do however need to know what you are doing and research, or pay someone to do it for you. Remember without investors we wouldn't even have an economy, and remember that putting your money in the bank, the bank is lending your money to people/companies, and even banks can fail. eg. BNZ, & Northern Rock all failed until the governments bailed them out. PSIS also failed, but traded out of it. This is why the government should be doing more for people who have lost money in these finance companies, as the government haven't protected their citizens, and have allowed these companies to prey on mum and dad investors. There are all these laws, but noone bother to enforce them.	robbyp (2751)
646362	2008-03-07 09:59:00	So who have the Americans had as president ? A peanut farmer, a failed actor, two bushes, an adulter (Bill) and the Kennedy's yes money can buy you ultimate power. For the record, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and JFK were some of the best presidents that the USA ever had. Just because you dont like them doesn't mean that they simply bought the election. GWB, I do agree totally did it thanks to all his dad's pals on the Supreme Court. Thats a fair call.	beeswax34 (63)
646363	2008-03-07 10:03:00	Yes I was right, the money from the Superannuation Scheme has been invested on overseas Stock Exchanges and a great deal of money has been lost. There should be rioting in the streets over this and heads should roll. These 'American neo-con arse kissing brown nose' Politicians have lost the future monies of a lot of older people in NZ. They should be prosecuted. Funny thing, politicians had very little to do with this downturn. It seriously was just the bankers and standards companies (Moody, S&P) You fail to mention the amount of money the Super Fund and Govt HAS made to do from investing overseas which far exceeds the amount we have LOST so far. You have a very short-term view of the economic world and the way investing works. Just putting it in a bank would ultimately mean a LOSS anyway because of inflation and the rise in costs.	beeswax34 (63)
646364	2008-03-07 22:34:00	For the record, Ronald Reagan, Bill Clinton and JFK were some of the best presidents that the USA ever had. Just because you dont like them doesn't mean that they simply bought the election. GWB, I do agree totally did it thanks to all his dad's pals on the Supreme Court. Thats a fair call. Actually I agree they were very good, I just wanted to point out that anybody can do it. GWB also had help from his brother Jed remember how many recounts Florida had before he had enough votes?	gary67 (56)
646365	2008-03-14 07:32:00	beeswax34, re "You have a very short-term view of the economic world and the way investing works. Just putting it in a bank would ultimately mean a LOSS anyway because of inflation and the rise in costs" I think I understand very well what is going on in macro-economic terms, you are writing as if investors have some control over their investing but you are just a pawn like everyone else including our investing gambler CEO's of Super Funds etc, see here: www.harpers.org via MetaFilter	zqwerty (97)
646366	2008-03-14 08:53:00	beeswax34, re "You have a very short-term view of the economic world and the way investing works. Just putting it in a bank would ultimately mean a LOSS anyway because of inflation and the rise in costs" I think I understand very well what is going on in macro-economic terms, you are writing as if investors have some control over their investing but you are just a pawn like everyone else including our investing gambler CEO's of Super Funds etc, see here: www.harpers.org via MetaFilter Investors do have control over their investments or are you one of those people that just blames the US without ever thinking about it? Warren Buffet (look him up sometime) is a investor. Over the last year, his wealth has gone UP and is thus the richest man in the world. If he has no control over his investments, why ism't he doing badly. The Sequoia fund and George Soros' fund have also had a positive return over the period of this credit crisis. Surely the investors that invested in those funds and the fund managers had control. If you suck at investing, thats not "not having control" Thats just being stupid with YOUR OWN money.	beeswax34 (63)
646367	2008-03-14 09:56:00	I know who both Warren Buffet and George Soros are thanks. They are doing what Bill Gates and all rich men do once they have gained their vast fortunes and find themselves getting older and all the money in the world has not brought them what they desired, they try and curry favour with god and save their souls by bequeathing large amounts of money to deserving charities. "What Shall It Profit A Man To Gain The Whole World And Lose His Soul" Did you even read the link I posted or do you already know it all?	zqwerty (97)
646368	2008-03-14 11:24:00	If you were an American, would you vote for Barack Obama (www.barackobama.com), Hillary Clinton (http:), or John McCain (http://www.johnmccain.com)? Obama and Clinton are fighting to be the Democratic party nominee, and McCain is certainly going to be the Republican nominee. Insignificant others that can't win aren't an option because they aren't really relevant. And yes, I understand that there will never be a situation where Americans are directly choosing between the three, but it's still obvious how this poll works :p O.K. This being the original POLL it appears to be loaded. The question appears to be flawed in my view. The Republicans have now chosen their Candidate and this is John McCain so that appears to be that at the moment as the only other person conceded defeat. So now we get to the Democrats and this debate is not over yet. It boils down to:- If you are a Democrat would you rather vote for Clinton or Obama to represent the Democratic party given their promises, pledges, policies and etc. Whomever is chosen of the two will have to go up against John McCain. It may be that some Democrats will not wish to support either and suddenly become Republican. Do not forget the super delegates either. Personally I vote in New Zealand. I have a fair idea what I will get from the various parties but at the moment National has not come up with any policy so therefore how could I make an informed choice? Where is SurferJoe?	Sweep (90)
646369	2008-03-14 11:43:00	Warren Buffet (look him up sometime) is a investor. Over the last year, his wealth has gone UP and is thus the richest man in the world. If he has no control over his investments, why ism't he doing badly. The Sequoia fund and George Soros' fund have also had a positive return over the period of this credit crisis. Surely the investors that invested in those funds and the fund managers had control. that is the worst logic i have heard in a long while it could be that he was lucky, or smart, and picked to invest in companies/stocks that he thought would do well. all it takes is for you good investments to outnumber your bad ones and you'll turn a profit, and in a growing economy the law of averages would suggest you would make a profit from spreading your money (rather than putting all your eggs in one basket) just because you have no control doesn't automatically mean you will lose money	motorbyclist (188)
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