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Thread ID: 87985	2008-03-11 06:37:00	To all the fishermen/women... shock tracers	Myth (110)	PC World Chat

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648534	2008-03-11 06:37:00	Having a bit of trouble lately with snapping lines (surfcasting with 15lb line, 4 oz sinker).. line seems to be snapping for unknown reason. So in order to counteract, Im looking at putting on a shock tracer. How do I best tie the thicker shock trace to my current line? Or should I go to 20lb line when surfcasting?	Myth (110)
648535	2008-03-11 06:42:00	where are you fishing? what are you trying to catch? and what sort of coast is it? check your line for nicks and also how old it is. they can deteriorate with age. also check out www.fishnhunt.co.nz	tweak'e (69)
648536	2008-03-11 09:05:00	where are you fishing? what are you trying to catch? and what sort of coast is it? check your line for nicks and also how old it is . they can deteriorate with age . also check out . fishnhunt . co . nz/forum/YaBB . cgi?board=fishing2Fishing" target="_blank">www . fishnhunt . co . nz in Taranaki, mainly at a river mouth, but also off a beach nearby . Quite a few rounded stones/rocks, also sand The line is approx 3 months old, have had a look at each eye on the rod for wear, cracks . Can't see anything untoward there	Myth (110)
648537	2008-03-11 14:17:00	Fishing in Taranaki, mainly at a river mouth, but also off a beach nearby . Quite a few rounded stones/rocks, also sand The line is approx 3 months old, have had a look at each eye on the rod for wear, cracks . Can't see anything untoward there . . . . . an old trick to test the line for nicks that you cannot see . . . run it gently over your tongue and lips . They are much more sensitive and will tell you yards more than just a look-see . What brand of line are you using? Some cheaper brands breaks down fast in use in UV and ozone . Also see if you can tell just where the line IS breaking . . . if you see a little twist or tight curl in the line just where the break occurs, it might be the knot is causing the damage . I only use the Palomar knot ( . animatedknots . com/palomar/index . php" target="_blank">www . animatedknots . com) just for that same reason . . . it won't take any of the tensile strength from the line where it is bent into the knot .	SurferJoe46 (51)
648538	2008-03-11 17:39:00	. . . . . What brand of line are you using? Some cheaper brands breaks down fast in use in UV and ozone . Also see if you can tell just where the line IS breaking . . . if you see a little twist or tight curl in the line just where the break occurs, it might be the knot is causing the damage . Have tried this on 2 different brands of line . Same problem . One was an unknown, the other was Wasabi Yeah, I have been checking if its the knots that are breaking . BUt there have been no slight curls at the end where the breakage is occurring Just one thing I do find odd . . . in more than one instance of the line breaking, and watching my sinkers and hook head sea-wards; the bait has been left lying on the ground behind me :illogical	Myth (110)
648539	2008-03-11 21:01:00	Have tried this on 2 different brands of line . Same problem . One was an unknown, the other was Wasabi Yeah, I have been checking if its the knots that are breaking . BUt there have been no slight curls at the end where the breakage is occurring Just one thing I do find odd . . . in more than one instance of the line breaking, and watching my sinkers and hook head sea-wards; the bait has been left lying on the ground behind me :illogical Have you noticed how FAR the sinkers go though! Wow! . . . I wish all my casts could be that far . Hmm . . . maybe too much "English" on the cast effort? Dumping bait or lures at your feet or your back or even IN your back or IN your feet . . . . usually indicate that the line is too undersized for the work . . . . or not . I'd also say that you might be running afoul of the willow-witches, but I don't think a seaside beach would have trees nearby . Imagine the energy at the tip of your pole when you are casting . . it is surprisingly high . . . like being the last guy on roller skates holding hands with a long line of other skaters . . . . somethin or someone's gotta break the chain when the loads get too high . Do you need that much weight to get a decent cast? Pole tip velocities are very high . . . and the dynamics goes up in some sortta algebraic-transcendental Zen formula I think . One thing I notice is kinda strange for even me to understand . If the line is small (to aid casting range), it'll break if the weight 'way out at the pole tip is too high during casting . If the line is too heavy, the range is lost and you up the weight and get back to line breaking again . There's gotta be a neutral ground . . but I think it is realizing that you cannot use the pole like a baseball bat or bull whip . I had just bought a new Shimano model reel . . . and immediately I got many (note: EVERY TIME I cast . . . ) line breaks . . but they happened between the pole guides . It happened until I tried the older reel . . and then the problem quit immediately . Hrrrumph! I put the new reel back on and this time I tried to slo-mo the cast . What I saw was the line was wrapping itself around the guide closest to the reel . . . and tying itself into a slipknot and breaking the line! What I finally discovered was that if I bent the lowest guide a little toward the tip . . the problem went away . Imagine that! I was gonna write a poison pen letter to Shimano too! Now I have to cruise the "New tires, front or back" posts instead .	SurferJoe46 (51)
648540	2008-03-11 21:33:00	As a keen fisherman myself, I recently came accross this site which is great for fishing knots of all kinds: www.animatedknots.com	fnphoto (2434)
648541	2008-03-11 21:47:00	As a keen fisherman myself, I recently came accross this site which is great for fishing knots of all kinds: . animatedknots . com/indexfishing . php?LogoImage=LogoGrog . jpg&Website=www . animatedknots . com" target="_blank">www . animatedknots . com I truly agonized over making a remark here . . . but I feel compelled to just do it any way . . . so out of character for me it is too! Now . . . don't get me wrong . . . I was in the US Navooo-o and we learned a lot of knots . . for everything to make shipboard life easier and safer . Knots like the sheepshank for that potential runaway BBQ offering . . . . to the flying bowline, used to keep your lines from getting all bowlegged . I LIKE knots . I read knot-books! ("What To Do With The Families Crazy Aunt" and "Keeping Your Teenager At Home") Knots are Fun! Knots are necessary to tie your shoes . . . . . . (Q> How do German school kids tie their shoes . . . A> In little nazis!) But I have somehow digressed a little . I only concern myself with the Palomar . . . as I don't use the "Finigan's Wishful-Holding Knot" or the "Too Parsimonious To Use ALL New Line Knot" or whatever . If a Palomar won't do it . . . it's time for new line anyway . :punk At any rate . . . I am So-o-o jealous of anyone who lives at a place called "90-Mile Beach" . We have lots of beach here in San Jacinto . . . just no water! All my local fishing has to be higher altitude lakes and streams unless I want to DRIVE 90-miles to the ocean!	SurferJoe46 (51)
648542	2008-03-12 21:16:00	Seems to me that the weight is too much for the line. I would have thought for surf casting you should use a minimum of 20lb (9kg) line. Bearing in mind that you will encounter snapper up to and over 20lb and the occasional Kingi which might go 30 kg and the occasional stingray!!!!!!! also you will be casting about 100grams (4oz) minimum. If you are determined to fish light I would use a shock trace of twice the mainline weight, and twice the rods length, tied with a bloodknot or a Bimini Twist. Make sure you trim the tag ends close after pulling it up with a bit of saliva on it to stop it burning the line with friction and to allow it to seat properly. Trimming the tag ends close will stop the catching on the other turns of line and causing overruns and will ease its way through the rings when you cast. There are also websites for casting demos to help you improve your casting technique. I have used them in the past and found that improving the mechanics of my casting made a big diff to the distance achievable and the smoothness of the action. What sort of gear are you using? Bale arm type reel? Overhead reel with or without level wind? what length rod and what weight sinkers and line?	theother1 (3573)
648543	2008-03-12 21:36:00	You could also try an Albright knot if the line thicknesses differ significantly www.animatedknots.com	theother1 (3573)
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