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Thread ID: 88294	2008-03-22 16:13:00	Is this another stupid law?	tut (12033)	PC World Chat

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651632	2008-03-23 07:09:00	Wow, what interesting test parameters. I wonder how many drivers in NZ drive at 89.6kph on a rolling road. :groan: 0.1% dare I suggest? (The idiots in the test vehicles) :D To think that such useless information requires legislation to make sure we are all aware of such a discovery of national importance. :angry And in the event I took my 150 Kg mother in law with me I would think that fuel consumption would increase. By what percentage I am not sure.	Sweep (90)
651633	2008-03-23 08:05:00	And in the event I took my 150 Kg mother in law with me I would think that fuel consumption would increase. By what percentage I am not sure. You better not let Mrs Sweep read that.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
651634	2008-03-23 09:01:00	I for once will never take a salesman's words on a touchy subject to mind. If a buyer ever does so, then he/she deserves to think that a Holden is one of the most fuel conservative cars out there. I'd like to use the sticker as another POV, meaning I'll go to the caryard looking for a certain car, look at its fuel consumption sticker, go home and do my own research. If the home research results prove to look worse than the caryard's, then I'm not going back to that caryard - the salesman is being deceptive about the car's fuel economy. If you do not press really hard on the accerlerator I would think that would relate to fuel economy. Any vehicle you happen to have can be driven in a manner which may reduce the amount of fuel used. A sticker would mean nothing in my point of view.	Sweep (90)
651635	2008-03-23 09:07:00	You better not let Mrs Sweep read that. My Mother in Law is dead and I do not have a Mrs Sweep any more. Mrs Sweep is still a friend and I am taking her out to dinner next weekend. I had better save up for fuel possibly? I must remember also to take the golf clubs out of the car in the interest of economy. I may be able to buy her an extra scallop with the saving I would make.	Sweep (90)
651636	2008-03-23 11:38:00	right, so is this sticker meant to be accurate to the government websites's information, or actually relevant to the current state of tuning, modification, and loaded weight of the car in combination with the prospective buyer's driving style and typical use (ie, traffic or open road)? absolutely useless! if a buyer is concerned about fuel economy they should be asking/looking for those figures themselves anyway! 100% behind johcar and BM	motorbyclist (188)
651637	2008-03-23 12:04:00	right, so is this sticker meant to be accurate to the government websites's information, or actually relevant to the current state of tuning, modification, and loaded weight of the car in combination with the prospective buyer's driving style and typical use (ie, traffic or open road)? absolutely useless! if a buyer is concerned about fuel economy they should be asking/looking for those figures themselves anyway! 100% behind johcar and BM I hope you are not riding with saddlebags loaded. Use a Vespa insted of a Harley. Yeah right!!! I will now get off my high horse because it is inclined to use hay bales for food (fuel). I wonder how many bales and of what size/weight would get me from Auckland to Wellington? Put an economical sticker on a Donkey as compared to a Clydesdale. :eek: It will not be long before the Government introduces a tax for breathing out. Oh wait they tried that with the farmers only it came from the other end of a cow did it not.	Sweep (90)
651638	2008-03-23 19:56:00	We have lots of potentially stupid laws, depending on your point of view. Most seemed sensible at the time (things change i.e. Easter laws). The fuel consumption figures are a guide only. It also makes people think, when they see the ad, about fuel consumption. If it is a "stupid" law, its for "stupid" drivers :lol: I think its also having as much information as possible in the one place for a person to make an informed decision.	dolby digital (5073)
651639	2008-03-23 21:06:00	Somehow accurate and government just doesn't seem to come out right with out the slight Winston grin ....	rob_on_guitar (4196)
651640	2008-03-24 06:46:00	The figure given is only to give us a rough estimate as to how much petrol the car will consume per given kilometer . It won't be something set in concrete a buyer will take into mind . And why is it such a big fuss? All car salesmen have to do is stick a colorful piece of sticker on the window of a car stating its rough fuel consumption . Surely they wouldn't complain that it takes too much energy to slap on a sticker? If they do, well they're gonna have to rethink their priorities . And that "Average Joe" thing? Well a lot of games say they need a "256MB" video card or whatever size to play, but you're going to kick yourself if you buy a 256MB FX5200 thinking you'll be able to play Crysis with it . Actually, you'd be surprised at how many people take written advertising seriously . From my 2 and a half years experience, I can tell you everyone does, and fair enough . If you see it in writing, and it is supposed to help you pick that model because it's fuel rating is so much better than your old car, you expect the difference . By the way, I've sold high requirement games to people before and gone through requirements with them too, have honestly told many that the game will not run on their computer as it is, and they think I'm just stupid or trying to sell them a new computer . Feels so great when they come back all angry asking for a refund and I remind them of the strict no software returns policy as per copyright issues . There really are these said 'low iq' people out there, *believe it or not!* and they are in vast supply . They will take such figures as if they are another 'spec' of the car and only end up pissed off (and ofcourse this anger never gets to those who it should go to - suppliers/manufacturers that don't write specific enough requirements in my case, or the government in the case of cars) and throw a spaz at the person that sold it to them, I forsee many negative feedbacks from idiots . I'd like to use the sticker as another POV, meaning I'll go to the caryard looking for a certain car, look at its fuel consumption sticker, go home and do my own research . If the home research results prove to look worse than the caryard's, then I'm not going back to that caryard - the salesman is being deceptive about the car's fuel economy . I won't argue with you that sales guys can be deceptive, but in this case, it won't be them . This information (as according to this law) is coming directly from www . fuelsaver . govt . nz , a site from our government . It has already been mentioned above how the tests are conducted so if your frame of mind were to be stuck as it is, you might as well not approach any car yards :thumbs: If you do not press really hard on the accerlerator I would think that would relate to fuel economy . Any vehicle you happen to have can be driven in a manner which may reduce the amount of fuel used . Yes, you are correct . Fuel Economy is directly related to the acceleration . A guy that accelerates to 100 kph over a period of 20 seconds and a guy that does it in 7 seconds are going to have drastically different fuel consumption in the same car . Same for how steady one can hold the accelerator, your transmission (especially if you are driving in traffic, etc . ) plays a major role in this topic too, especially when we talk about driving through traffic . If you really wanted, you could mount a small block of wood underneath your accelerator pedal but I don't think that would be much appreciated by those following behind you . I don't really see much point in this, but agreed with what someone said above, it does serve to say "hey, yes, this car will use less petrol than that car", the difference in consumption won't be accurate for the driver, but the fact that car a will use less petrol than car b still remains (for those folks who can't figure out that a 5000 cc holden V8 is going to burn more petrol than a 1000 cc toyota 4-cylinder on their own) . I still don't see the point in that hefty $5k fine . They must not be making enough from parking tickets (I've heard of many cases where they have painted a no parking zone around a car and thrown a parking ticket onto it, no joke, but so funny! - but thats another story) so they have to resort to this kind of play .	Deathwish (143)
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