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Thread ID: 88609	2008-04-02 05:24:00	NZ/s Asian tolerance	qazwsxokmijn (102)	PC World Chat

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655466	2008-04-03 10:36:00	Not if you are of Gallic extraction and the year is 387BC! (www.unrv.com) I was mostly talking about Rome today as compared to a few years ago. This was a quotation. Naturally you know what was the story then in 387BC because you were there then and this is a fact as you have told me so. I have to believe this as you have told me so and I also have trust that you were there. So were you an eye witness? If so you seem to be older than I am.	Sweep (90)
655467	2008-04-03 10:48:00	On a sidenote. Why is NZ First targeting Asians only? Surely there are say (and dare I say it)... South Africans or those from the Polynesian Islands who do far worse things once they land here.	bob_doe_nz (92)
655468	2008-04-03 11:12:00	Not sure why they picked NZ to begin with ... the others came here to work and stuff, the same country to be with each other .... I have one aunt/uncle in HKG who is delaying going to Canada, mum's side in Canada. Cousins still happy with HKG there .. working and married... Migrating is for the better lifestyle for retirees and there is such thing as a pension. They did thought of moving earlier and working .. but they thought it was hard in Canada in a diff environment and they may not get as much income. Uncle works in the blowglass thingy but its jewellery and bracelets .. Yeah .. my dad's eldest brother and another died because of famine with Mao's revolution. Land were confiscated then but many yrs later they were compensated. Got into HKG by escaping via the border as a early teenager, worked for some yrs there and then came to NZ. Started off sleeping with newspapers under people's properties for some shelter and got up when the owners were awake. When money was available - rented a room (not a house or an apartment).	Nomad (952)
655469	2008-04-03 12:11:00	Not sure why they picked NZ to begin with ... the others came here to work and stuff, the same country to be with each other .... I have one aunt/uncle in HKG who is delaying going to Canada, mum's side in Canada. Cousins still happy with HKG there .. working and married... Migrating is for the better lifestyle for retirees and there is such thing as a pension. They did thought of moving earlier and working .. but they thought it was hard in Canada in a diff environment and they may not get as much income. Uncle works in the blowglass thingy but its jewellery and bracelets .. Yeah .. my dad's eldest brother and another died because of famine with Mao's revolution. Land were confiscated then but many yrs later they were compensated. Got into HKG by escaping via the border as a early teenager, worked for some yrs there and then came to NZ. Started off sleeping with newspapers under people's properties for some shelter and got up when the owners were awake. When money was available - rented a room (not a house or an apartment). It is all back to motive again. In Ireland there was once a potato famine and quite a number moved to the USA. I moved to Australia some years back and spent some 12 - 13 years there but I came back to NZ. I am now looking at houses being built in in Cambridge NZ and wonder if people are are having more children. My Mother had nine siblings born in Wellington. Three bedroom house and a small room out the back.	Sweep (90)
655470	2008-04-03 18:44:00	As with any race, there are good Asians and there are the not so good ones. Same would apply to us Kiwi's when we are else where. My wife is Asian and she has been spat at, glared at and told to go home to Japan. We find it is very few people that seem to have a anti Asian attitude, it tends to be the older people. Hate to say it but one of my aunties told her to go back to Japan, she had been held by the Japanese in WW2 when caught as a nurse in the war, to her in her mental state all Asians were Japanese. Reality is, this is one world where people are moving more freely between borders, most people don't seem to care. Myself, I have lived in Asia for many years and never had a problem.	PinoyKiw (9675)
655471	2008-04-03 20:20:00	Ahhahaha. No, seriously, that is so stupid its beyond words. So immigrants changing the culture? What culture? binge drinking, p, hoons, tagging, drunks, benefits, smashing things, smashing people, blame the government, blame the police, my rights not your rights, etc	Taurus (9579)
655472	2008-04-03 20:23:00	I am glad that mostly the debate in this thread is being kept at a more sensible level than some of the others we have had in the past! Just a couple of comments - in the 19th century when Chinese miners came to NZ (men only, with a poll tax - their women were forbidden to migrate) they were in effect forced to live in isolation from the rest of the population of European origin. They were not allowed to integrate, though there were many inter-marriages with Maori who were more welcoming. If you want to see the sort of things that were said about Chinese in those days, just look at the NZ Encyclopaedia. It is reminiscent of Nazi Germany, and the only difference between then and NZ First now is the kind of language that is being used. The language is more "civilised" but the intention is the same. Eventually Chinese men were allowed to bring their wives to NZ, and their descendants are all over the country in important occupations. Many of the names have died out or been Anglicised, and you would not recognise many of their descendants (or their current names) as being Chinese in origin, but they are here and making a great contribution to the country. The same will happen in due course with the current "Asian" migration, and our descendants will wonder what the fuss was about. Secondly, re staying with "your own" and not "integrating". I meet a lot of people for whom English is a second, third, fourth or fifth language, and I can assert that I am exhausted after conversing with them. It is really hard work trying to get across the language issues. No doubt they are exhausted too. It is much easier to be with your own, and I have no problem with people who choose to do so. "Integration" (whatever that means) will take time. I suspect many people confuse integration with assimilation though.	John H (8)
655473	2008-04-03 20:34:00	I was mostly talking about Rome today as compared to a few years ago. This was a quotation. Naturally you know what was the story then in 387BC because you were there then and this is a fact as you have told me so. I have to believe this as you have told me so and I also have trust that you were there. So were you an eye witness? If so you seem to be older than I am. I'm aware it is a quotation - but for every quotation there is a counter quotation (e.g. many hands make light work vs too many cooks spoil the broth etc). I'm sure there is a counter-quote for Rome but I can't be bothered looking into it. When I read your quote, I remembered reading about the Gauls sacking Rome - it makes for interesting reading (try it some time). Payback came 350 years later. You can imagine parents using the events of that year to get their children to sleep : "you had better shut your eyes before the Celtic warrior sneaks out of the vomitorium!". You also get stories within stories - there was mention of a Gaelic warrior running his sword through a Roman senator whom he had thought was a statue because he was grey and perfectly still deep in thought, that was until he moved and frightened the warrior. Also the famous quote : "Vae Victis". Interesting stuff. But we have to remember that history was written by the winners so events may not have been exactly as depicted. Anyway, what did the Romans ever do for us? Apart from aqueducts.... Relevance? Times don't change - there's always a bogeyman (think US foreign policy) and there are always migrations of peoples. Politicians will push the xenophobic button in an election year to provoke an emotional response. Anyway, trying to stem the tide of migration is a bit like the Dutch boy with his finger in the dyke....	andrew93 (249)
655474	2008-04-03 23:53:00	On a sidenote. Why is NZ First targeting Asians only? Surely there are say (and dare I say it)... South Africans or those from the Polynesian Islands who do far worse things once they land here. What do the South Africans do once they land here Bob?..... Personally, I feel the Polys, Samoans & Tongan can all go home and do nothing rather than having to feed them myself. If they are working, they can stay. Chinese are good workers, though I worry about them sending all the money they earn back overseas. Indians, well, I do like their food! What I find hard to reconcile is how hard it is for White Europeans to imigrate here, Asians, Indians or Pacafic Islanders, no worries, we will even pay for your upkeep, whats with that?	SolMiester (139)
655475	2008-04-04 01:00:00	But we have to remember that history was written by the winners so events may not have been exactly as depicted. Anyway, what did the Romans ever do for us? Apart from aqueducts.... . Concrete..	paulw (1826)
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