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| Thread ID: 88561 | 2008-04-01 00:33:00 | When asked to submit your bag for inspection by security upon leaving a retail store | legod (4626) | PC World Chat |
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| 654853 | 2008-04-07 00:00:00 | Im kinda surprised, Ive never been checked, and Im sure I look at least semi-dodgy walking around, helmet in one hand, bag on backpack, and yeah... ;) Aw... c'mon Chill, you couldn't even look semi-dodgy if you tried. You are more the sort that old ladies want to hug in the supermarket if you carry a bag for them. Go get some serious tattoos, lose half an ear and several teeth (hang on a second, I could be describing Metla here) give up washing and shaving for a few months and go live under a bridge for a couple of weeks, and then you might look a bit shifty. Of course it might just make the old ladies want to take you home and mother you...... Cheers Billy 8-{) :p |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 654854 | 2008-04-07 03:00:00 | Go get some serious tattoos, lose half an ear and several teeth (hang on a second, I could be describing Metla here) give up washing and shaving for a few months and go live under a bridge for a couple of weeks, and then you might look a bit shifty. Of course it might just make the old ladies want to take you home and mother you...... I havent shaved in about 3 weeks.. piercings and tattoos I have, they're just covered up by my T-Shirt ;) Comment about mothering made me laugh :D |
Chilling_Silence (9) | ||
| 654855 | 2008-04-07 13:26:00 | Even if they are certain that the person has stolen goods in their bag that still does not give them any right to search you. Once again, even the police can not do that. again, if there's a sign saying that they reserve the right to search you, and you enter their premises, they have the right to search you. don't like it? don't enter the store. if they don't have a sign then it's a different story, but seriously, why be difficult unless you have nothing to hide? that minute or two it takes to clear everything up isn't really gong to make that much difference is it? |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 654856 | 2008-04-07 13:44:00 | Good luck to any who decides to tell the police what they can and cannot do. Plenty of lessons to be dished out and have been dished out that don't conform to the paper work. Tried telling the cops in the past they had no right to be poking their noses into certain places. They got a laugh out of it. That aside, Putting up a sign doesn't give anyone any more rights then someone without a sign....its pretty meaningless. Just say no if it pleases, if they want to (try and) detain you because they think you have stolen merchandise then that is their call. personally, I can't recall ever being asked, even during my five year stint in Skippyland, and apparently its the norm there...But, I don't carry shopping bags either, I carry a wallet, And if I'm in a shop then I'm there to buy something and I leave via the checkout. I wonder if those that think the shop has the right to do as they please would also go along with it if they had a sign up saying they wanted to look through your wallet on exit..... |
Metla (12) | ||
| 654857 | 2008-04-07 13:56:00 | not being on to carry more than $5 cash in my wallet anyway, i'd still walk in. but no-one else would, so either the sign or the business would be gone within the week. what DOES annoy me, however, is that (as the signs state) i can't wear my helmet into a bank, liquor store, or more importantly a gas station, yet a muslim can wear a shroud or whatever without any problems! wtf? lucky for me gas station attendants don't give a toss and usually put the pump through without me prepaying and before i walk in telling them i want to fill the damn thing. (actually had a mate fill up with full gear on and no number plate. an attendant came out to talk to him about bioethanol though:lol: - we didn't realise his plate had fallen off til we left the station) |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 654858 | 2008-04-08 07:28:00 | My bag would probably have a mad, very abusive conversation with the unlucky searcher and proceed to punch his or her lights out . The same will happen to me if she read's this . :lol: :lol: :lol: :clap Whether or not a poster is situated at the door stating "conditions of entry" - the fact is that (most of) any store is a public place . (see Parker v British Airways Board [1982] 1 QB 1002 - and other, older cases cited in that case as to the nature of public and private spaces and some of the rights pertaining thereof . ) Really? I was taught differently, that a store (its parking lot too!) is a private property and you enter with the invitation to purchase . If you are found to have stolen goods, or other shifty behaviour, or just causing a tantrum, the staff can request that you leave or call security and have them remove you (and I've seen this happen a few times with people just going nuts in the store and causing tantrums) . You can also be banned from a store/shopping mall etc . How exactly they enforce this I'm not sure but I know that a couple of guys I know (dumb street racers) have been 'banned' from a certain shopping center because they've been caught driving inappropriately there . What exactly will happen to these guys if they're caught there again, I never bothered to ask . ------------------------------------------- It sounds like people here are saying they would respond very violently to such approach, but I've never seen this happen before . Maybe they're just acting all cool and strong on the internet but wouldn't have the courage to do so in a real life situation . I have never been asked to be searched but if I was, I would oblige . I see no harm in it at all, why would/should you be offended? People for some reason expect for everyone to have some kind of mind reading radar where they can know that you have not stolen and so not ask for your proof of purchase etc . Wake up! Obviously you know that the staffs do not have the right to forcibly inspect your bag, but what would gives you the right here for the "SMB" attitude? I know from work experience that I would only ever ask to inspect someones bag if they have been reported to me by another member of staff or another customer as suspicious . Once one lady declined (again, we knew for 100% she had shoplifted because she had been caught slipping the items into her bag), we knew very well that there was nothing we could do to forcibly stop her . We informed her that if she did walk out then there would be some legal action, she ignored : let her walk out, reported her to mall security and let them/the police do the rest :banana There is no gain in causing a scene over such a small request . If they go touching your stuff or reading your diaries while they're in there then they deserve such attitude but all they want to do is confirm they are wrong and that you haven't stolen anything . Trust me, most store persons would rather be in any other situation than this . It is not an enjoyable task to try to 'prove' that someone has stolen something . You must remember that these guys are just doing their job . You have to think "What would I do if I worked here or owned this place and saw someone that looked like they might have slipped a couple of computer games into their shopping bag?" From experiences, I know I would rather stop the customer and take back my goods before they leave the store because I get back what has been stolen - usually in one piece . Fussing around with security cameras to make copies of the footage and filing a report with the police is really a hassle . The process takes time and often the goods are not returned . |
Deathwish (143) | ||
| 654859 | 2008-04-08 14:10:00 | finally a voice of reason! and tresspass notices can be issued if your boy-racer mates return. hefty fine in the four figure range |
motorbyclist (188) | ||
| 654860 | 2008-04-08 19:56:00 | Checks such as these are an unfortunate response to the action of a few . If a police stop check asked to see your licence or perform random breath tests will you tell them no . I doubt it . Just deal with it - it is societies way of saying, some of us are bad, most are good . Lets make sure the bad dont get away with it . Thats the police . . . . not some store rentacop . |
rob_on_guitar (4196) | ||
| 654861 | 2008-04-08 21:46:00 | Thats the police....not some store rentacop. Exactly! Very well said.:clap You have the right to say no. You have the right to your privacy. I have heard of some who try to coerce you with the, "If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to worry about," approach. It is a manipulative technique, implying that if you want privacy, you must be doing something criminal. It's nonsense. Everybody has something to hide. We are all entitled to the same human right called privacy. Privacy has been the right of New Zealanders for the last 60 years. NZ subscribed to the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights which includes privacy as one of its articles. So tell the "rentacop" politely, to go away. |
Roscoe (6288) | ||
| 654862 | 2008-04-09 12:32:00 | why? what have you got to hide:p | motorbyclist (188) | ||
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