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Thread ID: 88831	2008-04-10 11:47:00	HDD DVD Recorder - Panasonic DMR-EH67 or Pioneer DVR-650H?	dah (13609)	PC World Chat

Post ID	Timestamp	Content	User
657812	2008-04-28 04:55:00	You might be able to get something back under the CGA. Did you ask them, whom you bought it from. :)	Trev (427)
657813	2008-04-28 06:46:00	I would get a Sony model, More features like intelligent scene chapter.	radium (8645)
657814	2008-04-28 07:34:00	I would get a Sony model, More features like intelligent scene chapter. What is a intelligent scene chapter?	Cicero (40)
657815	2008-04-28 08:07:00	He should of wrote. Intelligent scene chaptering. Sony’s unique Advanced Intelligent Scene Chaptering uses a clever motiondetection system to automatically recognise commercial breaks and major changes in the type of images being recorded. The benefit of all this clever detection is that you can easily skip through or erase parts of your recordings – and more importantly skip right past the commercials with just a single button push. Unless you like watching the commercials that is! :)	Trev (427)
657816	2008-04-28 10:19:00	I appreciate that many people own Sony DVD recorders and are happy with them, but but if you check my posts, you'll see that my question is whether I buy the Panasonic or Pioneer model. I looked at and discounted the Sony for several reasons. I've also read the manuals for the Panasonic, Pioneer, and Sony models, and I don't believe that the Sony has more features than the Pioneer. As for intelligent scene chaptering, you'll see this has already been discussed and the Pioneer also has a version of this.	dah (13609)
657817	2008-04-28 10:47:00	He should have written.. Intelligent scene chaptering. Sony’s unique Advanced Intelligent Scene Chaptering uses a clever motiondetection system to automatically recognise commercial breaks and major changes in the type of images being recorded. The benefit of all this clever detection is that you can easily skip through or erase parts of your recordings – and more importantly skip right past the commercials with just a single button push. Unless you like watching the commercials that is! :) I feel better now.	Cicero (40)
657818	2008-05-03 02:13:00	I have the Pioneer 650H and my brother has the Panasonic. I've played with both, and the Pioneer wipes the floor with the Panasonic! Picture quality is hard to compare as I've only seen the Panasonic on a 30" CRT telly while the Pioneer is connected to a 42" Plasma - so I tend to notice the artifacts more. For that reason I can't give a completely fair comment on this. I will say that anyone that reckons modes like LP and EP are indistinguishable from SP modes need new glasses - watch on a big screen and you can see how much worse the quality is. If you want good quality on a decent TV, record in XP or SP. Featurewise, the Panasonic just does not compare. The automatic ad chapters the Pioneer inserts is amazing (and I believe Sony copied their system off Pioneer, not the other way around), you can skip backwards in 5, 15, 30, 60, 90, 120 second blocks or forward in 30, 60, 90, 120 etc blocks. Naming a program is much faster on the Pioneer. You have an on-screen keyboard or can use mobile phone text buttons. You have much more control over listing genres of programs, multiple ways to display the stuff on the HD etc. Editing out commercials from stuff you want to keep is infinitely easier on the Pioneer due to the commercial detection. You have to manually find the ads with the Panasonic. From memory you have a much wider choice for DVD menus on the Pioneer too. DivX playback is where the Pioneer excels. If you are playing back downloaded AVIs from a DVD, the Pioneer will play NTSC or PAL ones perfectly. The Panasonic gets itself in a twist and you must manually change modes to get it to play NTSC material. One major flaw in the Panasonic is if you were playing back an AVI movie in NTSC mode, and a scheduled timer recording comes on, it will stuff up and attempt to record it in NTSC mode! The recording will never playback correctly (greyscale, timing issues, sound problems). I am not 100% on this but I do not think you can playback a PAL AVI while recording PAL TV with the Panasonic. The Pioneer will. Neither machine will playback an NTSC AVI file while recording PAL TV. The Pioneer is incredible user-friendly, it simply has the best menu system in the business - which is why Sony copied most features from it! (The Sony still has some stuff missing though! One of my other friends has the Sony). The Panasonic is harder to use. Now some negative stuff the manuals do not tell you: Everything the Pioneer records is PAL 4:3 format. You cannot copy DivX AVI files to the hard drive on either machine. (One Philips model apparently can). This is really stupid as you could store ~300 movies on the drive. You cannot playback DivX AVI files via the USB on the front. You cannot record 2 channels at the same time. ie. There is only one tuner in it. Both models are analogue only. You will need a new model with a digital tuner to get FreeView quality, but I don't think these are out in NZ yet. Overall, the Pioneer is more expensive but well worth it. Any questions related to the Pioneer - gimme a yell, happy to answer them!	Codetapper (13611)
657819	2008-05-13 06:08:00	Thanks, that's just the sort of info I was looking for. I'm surprised that the Pioneer records only in 4:3 format - the manual claims it can detect 16:9 and will record it. How much of a problem is this? What do you get when replaying 16:9 that's been recorded as 4:3? As for quality, what's the Pansonic's much-touted LP mode like? I assume that, though the resolution is high, the bit rate drops and so you still get a loss in quality, though it will manifest differently to the Pioneer's LP mode.	dah (13609)
657820	2008-05-13 06:25:00	I feel better now. I sympathise. I did think that "It skips the commercials," may have sufficed. Weren't you a silly boy for asking!:groan:	Roscoe (6288)
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