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Thread ID: 89029	2008-04-18 01:01:00	No comments on F & P closure !	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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659913	2008-04-18 01:01:00	Hi Guys Just a little surprised that there have been no comments on the sad closure of F & P 's plant in Dunedin. I feel very sorry for the employees, and annoyed that Labour is doing nothing to help business's and indeed everything to make it harder for them.	Digby (677)
659914	2008-04-18 01:04:00	The world's going cuckoo. It's just not profitable for F&P to be in NZ anymore, same with many other companies apparently relocating to other low-paying countries. :( Same with Cadbury in Auckland - closing down in 1.5 years.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
659915	2008-04-18 01:09:00	We will soon have to import everything.....So much for the buy NZ campaign!... For me its the Dell\ANZ bank moving their helpdesk to India!!. Now I have nothing against the Indian People, however they are just too frustating to understand, there has been heaps of comments about this yet neither of them care enough to move the helpdesk to western countries $#&&#, just had Malaysia marketing on the phone, couldnt understand them either.......	SolMiester (139)
659916	2008-04-18 01:13:00	Hi Guys Just a little surprised that there have been no comments on the sad closure of F & P 's plant in Dunedin. I feel very sorry for the employees, and annoyed that Labour is doing nothing to help business's and indeed everything to make it harder for them. Singapore faces the same problem more than a decade ago. Because of rising wages and other costs, most of the manufacturing activities shifted to the cheaper neighbouring countries. The government embarked on an aggessive drive that attracted high tech industries, R&D work, biotech, pharmaceuticals, petrochemical plants, etc instead. Though those labour intensive manufacturing factoires had moved out, these companies were given incentives to do their research in Singapore. I empathise with those about to be made redundant especially those with financial commitments and families. I wish the government could be more pro-active instead of waiting for things to fall apart first before considering action. On hind sight, I am not sure they know what to do.	Taurus (9579)
659917	2008-04-18 01:33:00	Singapore faces the same problem more than a decade ago. Because of rising wages and other costs, most of the manufacturing activities shifted to the cheaper neighbouring countries. The government embarked on an aggessive drive that attracted high tech industries, R&D work, biotech, pharmaceuticals, petrochemical plants, etc instead. Though those labour intensive manufacturing factoires had moved out, these companies were given incentives to do their research in Singapore. I empathise with those about to be made redundant especially those with financial commitments and families. I wish the government could be more pro-active instead of waiting for things to fall apart first before considering action. On hind sight, I am not sure they know what to do. It is a never ending circle. Once chinas wages rise, they will then be sending the work to cheaper countries, perhaps to Africa. Eventually it may end up coming back to NZ as our wages and economy fall below that of other low wage countries.	robbyp (2751)
659918	2008-04-18 01:35:00	Hi Guys Just a little surprised that there have been no comments on the sad closure of F & P 's plant in Dunedin. I feel very sorry for the employees, and annoyed that Labour is doing nothing to help business's and indeed everything to make it harder for them. Yeah I'm gutted aye - Dunedin is a relatively small city, and it will be hard for all those people to get employment. I have to say though, if the current government was a little more pro-business, things like thing may not happen!!! (Not trying to start a Political debate here!! :D )	nofam (9009)
659919	2008-04-18 01:35:00	I worked at F&P Auckland in 2000. F&P did their second restructure then, sacking 1/3 of everyone not directly working in the factory. Factory staff went onto 24 hr shifts. They were discussing Mosgiel then. It was the consensus that they would close it, no-one knew just when. They were setting up in the US then, they said NZ is too small, even throwing in Aus customers too, and overseas people bought fridge and freezer matching combos, and wahing machine dryer matching combos. Here we don't usually. So they weren't interested. Soon NZ will have nothing left but a few shop keepers, a bunch of dairy farmers and the infrastrucure around it. Then we can all move to China or India or such and beg for jobs in a factory there. I thought ANZ was worse, they want to outsource when they made a $1billion profit??!!! Thats just greed. The &&%%#@s	pctek (84)
659920	2008-04-18 01:43:00	Hi Guys Just a little surprised that there have been no comments on the sad closure of F & P 's plant in Dunedin. I feel very sorry for the employees, and annoyed that Labour is doing nothing to help business's and indeed everything to make it harder for them. I was a little surprised, but I think people were expecting this, as mot companies are now going for the cheapest places to build their product. The question is will quality drop? I guess they can still put 'designed in NZ' on the label, like apple do, and at least some of the profits will come back to NZ shareholders. I believe one reason they did it was because Mexico ha a free trade agreement with Canada and the USA, while NZ doesn't which s a problem for the NZ gov. I can actually see F&P being taken over by an overseas company, so eventually it may not have any association with NZ. I am actually more worried about NZs economy as a whole. The reason for our good economic performance over the last 8 or so years, is more to do with a good global economic situation, however when this changes, it just shows how vunerable we are, and how the current government don't have a clue what to do. These things also go in cycles, but I can see it getting a lot worse before it gets better.	robbyp (2751)
659921	2008-04-18 01:47:00	I worked at F&P Auckland in 2000. I thought ANZ was worse, they want to outsource when they made a $1billion profit??!!! Thats just greed. The &&%%#@s You seem to have worked for a lot of different companies. With the ANZ, they are and Ozzy company, so they don't have the same emotional connection to NZ. However they have promised that no NZ workers will lose their jobs due to the change, but they will have to work in other areas, which which is unlike F&P.	robbyp (2751)
659922	2008-04-18 01:56:00	Yeah I'm gutted aye - Dunedin is a relatively small city, and it will be hard for all those people to get employment. I have to say though, if the current government was a little more pro-business, things like thing may not happen!!! (Not trying to start a Political debate here!! :D ) It reminds me a bit of the film 'Roger & Me' by Mike Moore, but on a smaller scale, where GM moved their manufacturing from Flint to a developing nation to lower costs and improve their bottom line. I don't think there is anyway that a small city can absorb that sort of workforce. They are also laying off heaps of people in both OZ and US so that are many people effected Apparently the Auckland factory also may close in the future, which will mean that no F&P products will be made in NZ. They are also blaming NZs high compliance costs, which the governemnt disputes, bit I would have to agree with F&P, and I am sure the new kiwisaver hasn't helped. I know a lot of people including myself, buy F&P because they are made in NZ, so I pressume many people won't have the same emotional connection to the brand. However it is better for the NZ economy for people to continue to buy F&P, because unlike other brands, the profits will still come back to NZ shareholders, as long as they then spend those profits back into the NZ economy. It is interesting that in Australia they are looking at trying to reverse F&Ps move www.stuff.co.nz However in NZ where we have lower wages anyway, we seem to just be taking it.	robbyp (2751)
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