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Thread ID: 88911	2008-04-14 08:24:00	Broadband and Home phone (or not)	pine-o-cleen (2955)	PC World Chat

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658672	2008-04-15 03:27:00	So you would rather support a British owned company, rather than a NZ owned company that is largely owned by NZ Mum and Dad investors, who have seen massive losses on their shares due to Government regulation? I had heard both Vodphone and Tesltra are possibily pulling out of the NZ market, and Singapore owned Singtel could be a potential buyer. You should look at Orcon. It is government owned, so the money you are paying stays in NZ, and it will probably become the next telecom in the future, as it has virtually unlimited funds for investment. I have no idea where you hears that Vodafone is pulling out of NZ... but it's rubbish. Cheers Paul Brislen Vodafone External Communications Manager	Paul Brislen (13625)
658673	2008-04-15 03:36:00	Yeah, the Americans made their quick profit and then exited stage left. I am surprised at how many people still don't realise that Telecom is laregly owned by Mum and Dad investors, and how many people still thinks it is owned by the Yanks. It is actually largely NZ owned. The thing is, that because the Government will see telecom as 'Strategic Asset', it will now block it being sold to an offshore company, which is one reason it's shareprice has dived recently. This means that it unlikely to get overseas investment. What does this mean? Well unless the government buys back part of telecom (which I think they will do now by making decisions to hammer down telecoms share price), there is unlikely to be any outside investment to build the next generation broadband network, aprt from the diminishing revenues they currently get. Because the government own Orcon, any decisions they make that affect telecom, are actually a conflict of interest. They can make up laws to disadvantage telecom, and benefit heir own ISP Orcon. No wonder telecoms share price has dived. And while I'm at it, I think you need to look again at who owns Telecom. The last time I spoke to anyone there, 90% of Telecom's shares were owned by people OUTSIDE of New Zealand AND Australia, not Mum and Dad shareholders here in New Zealand. The Kiwi Share provision (as it was) doesn't allow any single overseas investor to control Telecom outright (no more than 49.9%), but the foreign investors simply worked as a consortium instead. Today Telecom is as Kiwi/Foreign as you want it to be. In fact, it's as local as Vodafone is - that is, we both have networks here in NZ. Cheers Paul	Paul Brislen (13625)
658674	2008-04-15 03:41:00	I have no idea where you hears that Vodafone is pulling out of NZ... but it's rubbish. Cheers Paul Brislen Vodafone External Communications Manager Well, it was reported in the National Business Review not too long ago, and I remember reading it. Do a google search on "Vodafone plans to sell its Australia and NZ business" and you will find the full story.	robbyp (2751)
658675	2008-04-15 03:51:00	Ok here's the situation . Building a new house, got phone line put in, but I am now deciding weather or not to actually use it . At the moment I'm living with my folks and we have xnet 'river' plan, $33 . 95 / month then 0 . 1c per mb . We use between 2-4 gb / month . I really want to stick it to Smellycom by denying them a customer, but the Vodafone plans look slightly too costly, or they want to lock you in for 2 years . Now I decided we can survive with no home phone, but at the moment my wife and I are both on Vodafone pre-pay . . vodafone . co . nz/mobile-data/3g-broadband-plans . jsp" target="_blank">www . vodafone . co . nz The Vodafone home phone and broadband plans look far too expensive, but they have a cheaper monthly phone connection + maintenance than telecom . Basically I'm presenting you, the reader, with all this information to ask, which should I go for, or am I missing something ie/ is there a better option than what I have considered? If you have managed to read this far, well done! You must care deeply for me, or you spend far too much time on PF1 . Thanks guys, and girls . Well, nobody else seems to want to answer your actual question . . . So I'll give it a go . For the broadband side it really depends on how much data you want . If you're buying 5-6GB/month you're better off with Vodafone's mobile Broadband Pro plan as you get 3GB of data for $79 . 95/month . Vodafone offers bundle insurance, which means should you exceed your 3GB limit you'll be charged $10 and get another 3GB of traffic . That's 6GB for $90 which is cheaper than 6GB from Xtra (once you include the line rental of course) . There are pros and cons to both offers - with Telecom you get a land line and free local calls . With Vodafone you don't have that but you do get a mobile solution (and if you take the two-year contract you save money and you get a free Vodem or VMC) . If you want a landline at home you can always opt for the Vodafone Home Phone Plus which is a GSM box that you plug your existing curly cord/cordless phone into . . . you get free calling (any landline number, not 0900 or mobile obviously) for $40/month . That's less than you'll pay for line rental from Telecom alone, plus you can call anywhere in NZ . It doesn't do broadband but you can bundle it with the Vodem/VMC offer and get both . This page gives you some more info on that ( . vodafone . co . nz/home-phone-and-broadband/home-phone-plus/plan-2 . jsp" target="_blank">www . vodafone . co . nz) . For $100 you get the voice service and the 3GB plan (plus $10 if you go over gives you 6GB) which is pretty sharp . Cheers Paul Brislen Vodafone External Communications Manager	Paul Brislen (13625)
658676	2008-04-15 04:11:00	And while I'm at it, I think you need to look again at who owns Telecom. The last time I spoke to anyone there, 90% of Telecom's shares were owned by people OUTSIDE of New Zealand AND Australia, not Mum and Dad shareholders here in New Zealand. Can you provide a source for that, as I don't believe that is the case. From what I have heard it is over 40% owned by mum and dad investors. However that information is hard to come by, because as PaulD previously noted, many of the main shareholders are financial instatutions, who hold shares on behalf of their customers. Even the the NZ government (in the form of the ACC) own over 1.5% of telecom, and NZ Superannuation Fund Nominees own almost 1 %. 10% may be NZ mum and dad investors who have purchased directly on the open sharemarket market, but that isn't the way most of them would buy them. The top 20 substantial shareholders appear to mainly be either NZ or Aussie financial institutions, making up over 80% of the ownership.	robbyp (2751)
658677	2008-04-15 04:45:00	If it was me I would just get the following: Most likely a landline by Telecom or Telstra, whichever cheaper and get Xnet for broadband. I can use the phonecards that is not from the big teleco's and its cheap, v cheap. Some of them are like 4c a minute dialling 24/7 overseas, not found any national dialling cards thou, don't make much of those. For broadband its much lesser too afaik. I don't need to charge my cellphone up all the time .. it just sits there. Another option that is if I don't make a lot of phonecalls. Naked ADSL with Xnet and no phoneline and jsut use my cellphone be it contract or prepay. I find the wireless option v expensive. If you are at home, do you need mobility? Are you going to access it away from home, in another premise or in the car or as you are walking? $100 I could get a landline from a big teleco', then Xnet's River Plan and about 35GB of traffic. I think the landline has a connection fee if you don't signed a contract. But for Xnet .. no contracts at all .... you can stay for 2 months and cancel and move offshore ... :D If you only want 3GB of internet, that's like $35-40 for the landline - any incl Telecom, Telstra or Voda with diff clauses in contract lengths and then $$37 for Xnet ... ... Total of less than $80.	Nomad (952)
658678	2008-04-15 05:06:00	The beauty of Xnet is that no contracts, no connection fee, no toll calls min to spend, no switching phone company to them, you do not say buy 5GB every month and be charge that. You pay for what you use. If you buy 5GB and only use 2GB you are only charged 2GB.	Nomad (952)
658679	2008-04-15 05:06:00	If it was me I would just get the following: Most likely a landline by Telecom or Telstra, whichever cheaper and get Xnet for broadband. I can use the phonecards that is not from the big teleco's and its cheap, v cheap. Some of them are like 4c a minute dialling 24/7 overseas, not found any national dialling cards thou, don't make much of those. For broadband its much lesser too afaik. I don't need to charge my cellphone up all the time .. it just sits there. Another option that is if I don't make a lot of phonecalls. Naked ADSL with Xnet and no phoneline and jsut use my cellphone be it contract or prepay. I find the wireless option v expensive. If you are at home, do you need mobility? Are you going to access it away from home, in another premise or in the car or as you are walking? $100 I could get a landline from a big teleco', then Xnet's River Plan and about 35GB of traffic. I think the landline has a connection fee if you don't signed a contract. But for Xnet .. no contracts at all ... . you can stay for 2 months and cancel and move offshore ... :D If you only want 3GB of internet, that's like $35-40 for the landline - any incl Telecom, Telstra or Voda with diff clauses in contract lengths and then $$37 for Xnet ... ... Total of less than $80. Thats what I do. I have got my calling and internet with Xnet, and find them good and well priced. They also give you a small discount if you pay by direct debit. Best of all you are not fixed into any contracts, which other companies lock you into. I avoid any telecommunications company that fixes you into a long term contract, for a number of reasons. Such as if you are not happy with the service or their reliability, you often have to pay them off to switch to another provider. Also if their service and reliability are good, and they are competitively priced, why do they see the need to lock you into a contract.	robbyp (2751)
658680	2008-04-15 05:08:00	The beauty of Xnet is that no contracts, no connection fee, no toll calls min to spend, no switching phone company to them, you do not say buy 5GB every month and be charge that. You pay for what you use. If you buy 5GB and only use 2GB you are only charged 2GB. You missed out that they are also reliable (certainly more reliable than my previous ADSL provider), and they also have good email and phone support (they actually reply to emails) & No waiting on hold for 15-30 minutes	robbyp (2751)
658681	2008-04-15 05:10:00	I had heard both Vodphone and Tesltra are possibily pulling out of the NZ market, and Singapore owned Singtel could be a potential buyer . It's australia that vodafone is considering out of the market Dont know where you got tesltra or vodphone from? Perhaps a typo?Vodafone and telstra?	Ninjabear (2948)
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