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Thread ID: 89143	2008-04-22 04:26:00	Key pledges $1.5b for fast internet	robbyp (2751)	PC World Chat

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661214	2008-04-23 05:04:00	Apparently there is discussion going on about sub-loop unbundling (i.e. unbundling cabinets). Telecom's proposal currently allocates 40% of the total space of each cabinet for competitors to install their own equipment, though there is nothing in regulation as such yet. Plus telecom announced they were going to do this well before they were unbundled. I read even Xnet/world exchange was reported to be critising other ISPs, for complaining about telecoms plans for cabinetisation, due to them already knowing about it. One problem is the government and policies move so slowly, yet technology changes rapidly, so policies are always playing catchup.	robbyp (2751)
661215	2008-04-23 05:13:00	But didn't he say it would be a public-private partnership? If telecom gets its greedy little hands on it... shuddershudder 2.5% of telecom is currently government owned through it's departments, and at least 40% is owned by mum and dad shareholders, either directly, or on behalf of financial institutions. Profits made by telecom are then paid out to these shareholders. Shareholders take the risk in investing, and rightly get the profits the company makes. I am just wondering what you mean by greedy telecom? I would agree that when telecom was sold to the Americans, they were greedy, as they then sold it back onto the public sharemarket for a huge profit, who were effectively the people who paid for setting up telecom in the first place. What makes telecom so different from Telstra in Australia?	robbyp (2751)
661216	2008-04-23 05:14:00	Yes it isn't a new concept, it was already on Telecom's roadmap for years before unbundling. The ISPs can't say they didn't know it was coming. Maybe the Unbundling concept should have started on the cabinetised situation first. Unbundling has been a freight train bearing down on Telecom for years, long before it happened. God I remember it being talked about around 2002 or even further back long before DSL2, thats one HELL of a long term road map they had lol. No sale for me sorry :)	Battleneter2 (9361)
661217	2008-04-23 05:21:00	Anyone can pledge anything when they are not in power. :) They can also pledge stuff, when they are in power, and then fail to keep the promise. Didn't labour promise tax cuts at the next election, and at the last budget? Apparently these are now not going to occur until after the election. Personally I would for go the small tax cuts and have this money spent on a fibre optic network.	robbyp (2751)
661218	2008-04-23 05:39:00	i think it would be good for govt to start another SOE that runs the new highspeed system. then telecom can pay to get access to it, over the years the govt recover the cost of setup and then make a profit which can be put back in to the system to keep it upto date. the other choice is that govt give the $$ to telecom and they get ot make a big profit from govt investment. govt never see the $$ again and telecom don't provide half what the promise.	robsonde (120)
661219	2008-04-23 08:56:00	load of junk They should just fix the phone lines, get everyone fullspeed ADSL2+ and that will keep 99% of people happy	Agent_24 (57)
661220	2008-04-23 09:08:00	i think it would be good for govt to start another SOE that runs the new highspeed system. then telecom can pay to get access to it, over the years the govt recover the cost of setup and then make a profit which can be put back in to the system to keep it upto date. the other choice is that govt give the $$ to telecom and they get ot make a big profit from govt investment. govt never see the $$ again and telecom don't provide half what the promise. Haven't your heard of Korida/Orcon, as they are the Government owned telecommunications company. The government can easily regulate the market to give Kordia market dominance, and shut out the competitors.	robbyp (2751)
661221	2008-04-23 09:29:00	load of junk They should just fix the phone lines, get everyone fullspeed ADSL2+ and that will keep 99% of people happy You can't just think 10-20 years ahead. ADSL2+, or even VDSL, isn't sufficiently future-proofing our telecommunications network.	somebody (208)
661222	2008-04-24 13:09:00	Key pledges $1.5b for fast internet Tui pledges to set aside almost two bottles to celebrate all honest, competent and credible politicians. May be collected before 2015.	R2x1 (4628)
661223	2008-04-24 14:15:00	Yup - Key's a BS artist from way back I fear . . . . He hasn't signed any paintings that he hasn't painted yet!	mikebartnz (21)
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