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Thread ID: 89343	2008-04-28 08:29:00	News tonight - Poverty Mums	SolMiester (139)	PC World Chat

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663392	2008-04-29 00:26:00	So one woman with a pack of smokes is the stereotype for poverty?	rob_on_guitar (4196)
663393	2008-04-29 01:21:00	And the guys who impregnated her should be made to pay her dpb. There is a fairly good chance "that guy" is down at the pub looking for work with a fag in one hand and a glass in the other. NZ Has no poverty. I have been in India and Pakistan where there are huge shanty towns of REAL poor people that REALLY struggle. Some of these Shanty towns you smell them long before you see them like the one in Delhi which over 1 million live. You do not see the people from there down the local pub and wasting what little money they manage to scrounge from nothing. And no DPB there to help them do nothing.	Bantu (52)
663394	2008-04-29 01:39:00	Wow! There's far too much prejudice in many of the above comments. Some of you guys have no idea what a f'n downwards spiral it is to be poor and not have the opportunity to earn a few bucks to make ends meet. Just because you have a job and work hard 40 - 50 hours per week doesn't mean that someone else isn't wanting or capable to. A lot of the poorer folks here would almost give an arm to go to a place where they could raise crops and feed themselves and their families. But this is a Western society and they're stuck within it. Our Social system is trying hard to make it possible for these people to get back into the work force. "If there ain't no river, there ain't no work for a bridge builder". Some of you should get off your high polluting arsed ideals and realise that there's humanity below you. They have a need and a right to survive every much as you do.	Greg (193)
663395	2008-04-29 01:46:00	You do the crap job, and the study . Granted its a hard road for single mums, But most get in their predicament due to their actions and choices . Wow . . . . so a mother who was left by the father or a mother who's father died or a mother who decided to leave the abusive father, and ended up on DPB made that choice? How many of you actually think that raising a child on your own, without the comfort and knowledge that their partner is there, without the security of having someone there to help them do one of what I consider to be the most important jobs in the world, did that to themselves . . . . pffffftt . Don't judge "them" until you know what that situation is like . Do you honestly think that a women who mistakenly got pregnant has the choice to be a single mum? Do you honestly think the choice to give away your child or abort that child is an easy one to do . Would you, if in that situation, rather give your child away or abort them rather than get the help offered to you by the government because some people out there have decided to judge you and your life . Or would you rather have your child and send it off to day care the moment you are able, in order to work and pay for childcare costs and be one of the many who can now complain about the DPB and all the bludgers and delight in the fact that you are not ONE OF THEM . . . . . . . DPB for 1 child . . . . $263 . 78 per week If I had to live off that amount of money per week I would indeed be in poverty . My rent is well over the $200 mark and I live in a flat not in the CBD . But I guess that would be my own fault and no way should I expect help from others who are more fortunate . . . . Just bloody lucky that I don't have to rely on those who decided to judge I guess . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This one case is indeed interesting but what I find more interesting is that people in this forum have included ALL if not MOST single mothers in their comments .	never-u-mind (6500)
663396	2008-04-29 02:01:00	We have no objections to you and your ilk paying for these people,but it seems you know best who we should support. You can rest assured it is the progeny of this lot who cause most of the mayhem currently on our streets.	Cicero (40)
663397	2008-04-29 02:07:00	We have a female friend of ours with two kids and separated that spent a lot of years on the DPB. We talked her into getting a job and since then she has had about 3 maybe 4 jobs. She is getting similar money to what she got from DPB but with the work I guess it keeps her stimulated and she is much happier on average. She used to go to the pub mid afternoon until closing and now she does not have the time or motivation to do that. She seems to have a lot more cash left to spend on other things now than she used to. Instead of drinking it away she can buy one or two of life's little luxuries since she likes nice clothes etc she buys those and all in all feels much better about herself. There are heaps of jobs out there if people actually want to work rather than rely on handouts. A lot depends on if they are employable or not I guess, some look so scruffy that they would not get a job sweeping streets. Lets all cover ourselves in tattoos and have heaps of body piercing so nobody will employ us then we can just live off the state.	Bantu (52)
663398	2008-04-29 23:52:00	Wow! There's far too much prejudice in many of the above comments. Some of you guys have no idea what a f'n downwards spiral it is to be poor and not have the opportunity to earn a few bucks to make ends meet. Just because you have a job and work hard 40 - 50 hours per week doesn't mean that someone else isn't wanting or capable to. A lot of the poorer folks here would almost give an arm to go to a place where they could raise crops and feed themselves and their families. But this is a Western society and they're stuck within it. Our Social system is trying hard to make it possible for these people to get back into the work force. "If there ain't no river, there ain't no work for a bridge builder". Some of you should get off your high polluting arsed ideals and realise that there's humanity below you. They have a need and a right to survive every much as you do. WTF? You are one of these people that buys into the pathetic excuses these dropkicks feed us. They need to realise that the only people that can help them is themselves. You need to stop making excuses for these pricks and let them deal with the repercussions of their actions. You sound like the sort of person who could find a good reason why murderers kill people or rapists rape people etc. If people like you continue to make excuses for these losers actions, they then have no motivation to sort their lives out and deal with the consequences of their past actions. Why should we as taxpayers, provide them with with a benefit, free health care etc etc etc, then witness them sqander it away on p*ss, fags and god knows what else. Then have people like you with the audacity to tell us that we should be doing more to help them. Last time I checked it was still possible to throw a vege garden in the back yard and be self-sufficient. But that involves work which is then to difficult for these small minded people to manage. Mite I deduce Greg that in fact you are one of these people on a benefit or have family which are perfectly happy ripping off hardworking, taxpaying New Zealanders?? You dont have a hidden family down in your cellar do you? Im sure you can come up with a good excuse if you do..... Veale	Veale (536)
663399	2008-04-30 00:30:00	Are people actually allowed to grow gardens on rental property?	the_bogan (9949)
663400	2008-04-30 00:36:00	<Pours beer & pulls up deck chair>	SolMiester (139)
663401	2008-04-30 00:41:00	Wow . . . . so a mother who was left by the father or a mother who's father died or a mother who decided to leave the abusive father, and ended up on DPB made that choice? How many of you actually think that raising a child on your own, without the comfort and knowledge that their partner is there, without the security of having someone there to help them do one of what I consider to be the most important jobs in the world, did that to themselves . . . . pffffftt . Don't judge "them" until you know what that situation is like . Do you honestly think that a women who mistakenly got pregnant has the choice to be a single mum? Do you honestly think the choice to give away your child or abort that child is an easy one to do . Would you, if in that situation, rather give your child away or abort them rather than get the help offered to you by the government because some people out there have decided to judge you and your life . Or would you rather have your child and send it off to day care the moment you are able, in order to work and pay for childcare costs and be one of the many who can now complain about the DPB and all the bludgers and delight in the fact that you are not ONE OF THEM . . . . . . . DPB for 1 child . . . . $263 . 78 per week If I had to live off that amount of money per week I would indeed be in poverty . My rent is well over the $200 mark and I live in a flat not in the CBD . But I guess that would be my own fault and no way should I expect help from others who are more fortunate . . . . Just bloody lucky that I don't have to rely on those who decided to judge I guess . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . This one case is indeed interesting but what I find more interesting is that people in this forum have included ALL if not MOST single mothers in their comments . I'm sure there are genuine reasons for some Mums on the DPB who are doing their best, but you know as well as I do . . . . We aren't talking about them! I'm sure if we were interviewing you, you would of at least combed your hair . . .	SolMiester (139)
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