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Thread ID: 89268	2008-04-25 22:29:00	Gasoline Prices In The US	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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662653	2008-04-27 06:36:00	. . . . . . . . . Another friend thinks there might be some sortta war going on that is just over fuel . . and I am not talking about George's War and his world domination scheme . There's a much more sinister plot afoot methinks . I betcha that when everyone's become equal and starving and living in darkness . . . then things will relax a little and there will be plenty of everything . . . for the elites but not for the servant class . I have other ideas . . . I know that seem to wrinkle the noses of some here on F1 . . . but I hear a pale horse . I seem to hear horses too . . . . . . imagef1 . net . nz/files/4Horsemen . jpg" target="_blank">www . imagef1 . net . nz	Terry Porritt (14)
662654	2008-04-27 10:32:00	. So it's not the dealers who are raking in the $$ . You are right, and it is the same here . The dealers make their money from the other things they sell in the store, and not on the petrol they sell . Perhaps that is why they need us to come into the store and wait inline to turn the pump on, so we are subjected to their products firsthand . That is also probably why they don't have decent 'pay at the pump' systems . It is the oil companies that are making all the record profits .	robbyp (2751)
662655	2008-04-27 13:23:00	We used to be at $1 . 30/Gallon or about $0 . 44NZD/Litre . I burn 75+ US Gallons (283+L) a week of 87 R+M/2 octane . In USD that is: $295 . 00/week and in NZD that equals about: $378 . 38 . THAT hurts! No matter what dollar or container youse guys use . note that we pay nearly twice that for "91" which is actually 86 RON we earn less things cost more - quite often it is cheaper to buy things new from the states or elsewhere overseas and ship them over and a large protion of our population also has to drive large distances on a daily basis but we use much smaller and fuel efficient vehicles . once your prices get like ours you'll probably see the same thing over there . the electric revolution is coming! ( . wikimedia . org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/TeslaRoadster-front . jpg" target="_blank">upload . wikimedia . org) meanwhile, have you heard about a guy in the states who's developing a 6 stroke petrol/water injected engine? 40% increase in fuel efficiency, longer engine life and less NOx emissions due to lower operating temp . no cooling system neccessary which saves weight, but may gain a bit of weight in water fuel . started with a diesel, hooked up the injector to run water and put a petrol carby on the intake . removed all the cooling systems (which saves alot of weight in bigger vehicles) . rigged up the valve/injector timings electronically . needs to warm up to about 200 degrees celcius running normal 4 stroke, then 6 stroke cycle where it runs a normal 4 stroke cycle for the first 4 strokes but then near the top of the exhaust stroke he injects water . water vaporises to 1600 times the liquid volume using the heat from petrol combustion, providing a power stroke from what is otherwise waste heat . steam exhaust is 6th stroke which can simply send the steam to recondense in a tank to be used again . will need to run for a minute on four stroke to clear out all water before stopping the engine . sounds like a bloody good idea that will save us all alot of money!	motorbyclist (188)
662656	2008-04-27 17:31:00	meanwhile, have you heard about a guy in the states who's developing a 6 stroke petrol/water injected engine? 40% increase in fuel efficiency, longer engine life and less NOx emissions due to lower operating temp. no cooling system neccessary which saves weight, but may gain a bit of weight in water fuel. started with a diesel, hooked up the injector to run water and put a petrol carby on the intake. removed all the cooling systems (which saves alot of weight in bigger vehicles) . rigged up the valve/injector timings electronically. needs to warm up to about 200 degrees celcius running normal 4 stroke, then 6 stroke cycle where it runs a normal 4 stroke cycle for the first 4 strokes but then near the top of the exhaust stroke he injects water. water vaporises to 1600 times the liquid volume using the heat from petrol combustion, providing a power stroke from what is otherwise waste heat. steam exhaust is 6th stroke which can simply send the steam to recondense in a tank to be used again. will need to run for a minute on four stroke to clear out all water before stopping the engine. sounds like a bloody good idea that will save us all alot of money! You've got my attention here...gonna go Google it and look around. Thanks for the heads-up. RESEARCH RESULTS: It's called the "Crower-Cycle (en.wikipedia.org)" engine and truly exists..but it is rather old technology. Bruce Crower called it the "Steem-A-Leen" engine for patent purposes that require a name for the invention. He says: ....“I’ve been trying to find something wrong with the whole basic idea for almost a year, but I think we’re going to have a very marketable item.” Then he adds philosophically, “If it turns out to be great, fine. If it doesn’t, it’s just another year out of my life that I’ve had a lot of fun doing something.” Crower Camshafts®, however is NOT a new idea as they have been in business for what seems centuries. Here's their website: LINK (http://www.crower.com/) The .pdf is interesting, but too short. There are some refinements that are needed yet...like getting the water to NOT get past the rings and into the oil, rendering it useless. Steam turbine oils are being considered...but they need a coalescing tank to separate the water from the oil too. Other things like the extreme high compression requires higher octane fuels after the engine gets to the correct temperature. It can start on pretty much sludge for fuel, but the flame-front retarding requirements go up astronomically after that point. Also there's the water-tank problem. The engine requires as much water as it does fuel, and condensing and re-distillation units are a little dangerous for the average idiot to have under the hood (NZ= bonnet). That was one of the primary reasons why the Stanley Steamer lost sales appeal. When they blew up (not IF; but WHEN!), the resulting crater made it impossible to get an ID off the driver and/or passengers and/or of any people/animals in the radius of the resulting crater. Flash-steamed protein is pretty much undecipherable when poached into gelatinous masses. INSIDE BRUCE CROWER'S ENGINE LAB:Auto Week Magazine Article (www.autoweek.com) NOTE: This article was last updated on: 02/23/06, 09:35 GMT-4 The Crower Engine is not to be confused with the Malcolm Beare Engine by a 53-year-old Australian wheat farmer who has "invented" a combination rotary-valve-and sliding cylinder/valved engine (motorcycle only so far), alà Yamaha Rotary-Valve (www.drdisk.com.hk) & Willys Knight Engine (clubs.hemmings.com) design ca. 1905-08. All in all..very interesting! Thanks MB! :clap :clap	SurferJoe46 (51)
662657	2008-04-27 21:00:00	We are at 1,48 €/l ROZ 95.	Mylin (13483)
662658	2008-04-27 23:17:00	It's getting pretty bad here . . . we are paying $1 . 03/L (NZD/Litre or about $3 . 90USD/US gallon) right now . . . and the pre-Summer/vacation season is just starting when they rake us over worse than normal . How's it going there? I make it more like NZ$1 . 33 per litre - still cheap, but not as much of a gap as there used to be . I think your $1 . 03 per litre is US$ Joe . . . . . .	Miami Steve (2128)
662659	2008-04-28 02:26:00	We are at 1,48 €/l ROZ 95. Ouch!! That's around NZD2.90/litre!!!!	johcar (6283)
662660	2008-04-28 02:28:00	I feel embarrassed complaining about the price here in NZ, compared to Europe!!! :eek: Our prices are expencive compared to the states, but not Germany! It must make driving on the autobahns an expencive unpleasent experience! :(	wratterus (105)
662661	2008-04-28 06:35:00	I feel embarrassed complaining about the price here in NZ, compared to Europe!!! :eek: Our prices are expencive compared to the states, but not Germany! It must make driving on the autobahns an expencive unpleasent experience! :( They do earn more!	Cicero (40)
662662	2008-04-29 22:04:00	... NZD2.90/litre!!!! Right, we pay a lot tax. 35% fuel tax, 15% eco tax, 19% vat. :drool ... driving on the autobahns an expencive unpleasent experience! ... and because it is so expensive, we let the cow fly. :banana ... earn more I do not know, I bring home almost 2000.	Mylin (13483)
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