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Thread ID: 89289	2008-04-26 08:00:00	Fairfax Poll says only 10% considering leaving NZ !	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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662822	2008-04-27 05:05:00	10% of 4,000,000 = 400,000 - quite a lot and when you consider the probable educational standards and occupations of these people, I think it would make a big gap in our society. Take out 200,000 for the kids and non working adults of course. Still is a lot of folks thinking of leaving. Ken	kenj (9738)
662823	2008-04-27 05:13:00	10% of 4,000,000 = 400,000 - quite a lot and when you consider the probable educational standards and occupations of these people, I think it would make a big gap in our society. Take out 200,000 for the kids and non working adults of course. Still is a lot of folks thinking of leaving. Ken I'm scared that NZ will turn into a country fill of elderly people (aged 65 plus from the babyboom generation), and beneficaries who are unemployable. Both groups will be propped up by a very small base of working people paying the majority of the tax. Especially as many of the people who are leaving are working age people, who are the very people that we need in NZ to the pay taxes. I don't really know how the government can stop this happening, apart from bonding people to NZ in order to get their subsidised education, or making them pay for the true cost of their education and then letting them leave.	robbyp (2751)
662824	2008-04-27 06:18:00	With a high intake of immigrants and high outtake of New Zealanders, maybe we can rename the country Old Zealand in no time. Unless the guv decides to wipe student debt, increase wages, take taxes off food and gas, lower general taxes etc etc then people may decide to stay, but I highly doubt that would ever happen.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
662825	2008-04-27 06:23:00	I'm scared that NZ will turn into a country fill of elderly people (aged 65 plus from the babyboom generation), and beneficaries who are unemployable. Both groups will be propped up by a very small base of working people paying the majority of the tax. Especially as many of the people who are leaving are working age people, who are the very people that we need in NZ to the pay taxes. I don't really know how the government can stop this happening, apart from bonding people to NZ in order to get their subsidised education, or making them pay for the true cost of their education and then letting them leave. Oi there Robbyp and rob on guitar -- I'm one of those over 65's. :banana Don't worry, if all our kids go there, us oldies will go there as well. Otherwise we won't see our grandkids!! That is the most important thing. Yeh for grandkids!! They come and see you, then leave you both feeling a bit younger and pretty buggered both at the same time. Ken	kenj (9738)
662826	2008-04-27 06:30:00	A poll out today by Fairfax-Neilson says that 10% of New Zealanders are considering leaving New Zealand. I think that figure is far too low ! I also think that it is a great shame that so many kiwis want to or have left New Zealand and it is an indictment on our pathetic governments over the last 50 years. How can Helen Clark et al sleep at night knowing that half the population would leave NZ if they could. Yawn, grass is always greener syndrome. South Africans and poms love coming here, Kiwi's love going to Australia, just a tiny example. Don't buy into the recent media hype, NZ's population has still increased over the last year (slightly). It would be nice to see the media investigating the real issues in this world, but that would be asking far to much and makes for boring TV I guess lol.	Battleneter2 (9361)
662827	2008-04-27 06:42:00	Dont worry Kenj, I was being sarcastic, Ive never even met anybody that has been polled before, I highly doubt stat polls.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
662828	2008-04-27 20:24:00	....How can Helen Clark et al sleep at night knowing that half the population would leave NZ if they could. Vampires don't sleep - too busy sucking the lifeblood out of the country!! 10% of 4,000,000 = 400,000 - quite a lot and when you consider the probable educational standards and occupations of these people, I think it would make a big gap in our society. Take out 200,000 for the kids and non working adults of course. Still is a lot of folks thinking of leaving. Ken Of course many of those 400000 are recent immigrants who come to NZ because of easy entry standards, just to pick up a Kiwi passort and then move on to Australia anyway - Asian, Indian and South African mainly... I'm scared that NZ will turn into a country fill of elderly people (aged 65 plus from the babyboom generation), and beneficaries who are unemployable. Both groups will be propped up by a very small base of working people paying the majority of the tax. Especially as many of the people who are leaving are working age people, who are the very people that we need in NZ to the pay taxes. I don't really know how the government can stop this happening, apart from bonding people to NZ in order to get their subsidised education, or making them pay for the true cost of their education and then letting them leave. That's been happening for many years already robbyp!! No news there!	johcar (6283)
662829	2008-04-28 01:59:00	I left NZ for Brisbane 3 years ago at the age of 65, only one regret, that I didn't do it years ago. The Queensland economy is buoyant and the resources boom feeding it is not likely to fade in the near future. Why did I leave NZ - 2 Reasons: Persistently bad governance for over 2 decades with little chance of it improving Australia looks after it's seniors far better than NZ does, it is certainly a far better place to need a hospital operation than NZ. I bought a management rights business with my accumulated capital and the proceeds from the sale of our home in Howick, and am still working full time at the age of 68, I will probably retire round 70, if the bloody arthritis doesn't force it sooner. Yes interest rates have gone up to 9.4%, but they are now admitting that raising interest rates cannot curb imported inflation due to international increases in the prices of Oil and other commodities, and this in fact just a way of promoting a recession - NZ has had a policy of keeping interest rates high to maintain the exchange rate - no need to do that with a strong economy fueled by a resources boom. I will admit, family is a consideration in deciding on moving - we moved first, and were joined by our daughter who was living in California, and by our son and daughter in law who were living in England, and we now have two lovely Aussie born grand daughters. Australia is having some problems, housing prices in SE Queensland have gone through the roof, ie in dollar terms they are about the same comparative level as they were in Auckland when we left - a good 4 bedroom house in a reasonable suburb costs round $A450 - $A550, and the closer one gets to Brisbane's CDB the higher the price goes, but in actual terms at the current exchange rates food is cheaper, petroleum is cheaper, electricity is cheaper(our quarterly summer bill runs round $A300), and wages are about 40% higher. The locals complain about Brisbane's public transport, but in comparison to Auckland it's bloody marvelous, we are 15km out from the CBD, with a train every 15 minutes peak hours and the journey takes 25 minutes. There is a also bus service close by every 20 minutes, and at peak hours the journey is round 40 minutes. There is no shortage of well paid work here for qualified people, who are prepared to work, especially IT and skilled tradespeople and professionals.	KenESmith (6287)
662830	2008-04-28 02:16:00	Oi there Robbyp and rob on guitar -- I'm one of those over 65's. :banana Don't worry, if all our kids go there, us oldies will go there as well. Otherwise we won't see our grandkids!! That is the most important thing. Yeh for grandkids!! They come and see you, then leave you both feeling a bit younger and pretty buggered both at the same time. Ken Both my parents and grandparents are both in the +65 age group, and I can tell you that they wouldn't move overseas, to follow their kids. Infact my parents moved to the otherside of the world to get away from their parents. They are too happy and comfortable where they live. Who would want to move to england when you are old, to live in the cold, and in a terraced house, when you can live in the temperate climate of NZ, in a large house with lot of space and fresh air.	robbyp (2751)
662831	2008-04-28 02:22:00	That's been happening for many years already robbyp!! No news there! Not to the same extend. The problem is the babyboomer generation, and people generally living longer. This can mean that you may end up with 2, maybe even 3 generations of families in the 60+ age group. eg. you could have three generations of families aged 98, 80, and 62. 50 years ago people just didn't live as long. We will never have had such a huge percentage of the non working population in this age group before, and who is going to pay the taxes to support them, when working age people are leaving to go to Oz and the UK, and I will be joining them too soon. Especially as a lot of these people have invested their money in failed finance companies...	robbyp (2751)
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