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| Thread ID: 89631 | 2008-05-06 13:46:00 | Section 59/Antismacking Referendum | stevensaaron (6348) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 666674 | 2008-05-08 04:58:00 | we need as many signatures Who the hell is "we", stevensaaron ?? Political opinions are one thing - but lobbying for a political movement on this forum is quite another. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 666675 | 2008-05-08 05:24:00 | agreed, tone it done a bit, please. :thanks |
Jan Birkeland (4741) | ||
| 666676 | 2008-05-08 08:57:00 | What else do you call smacking other than violence? Do you mean to say that you do not consider it violence? Or does the use of the correct term for smacking simply make you uncomfortable? Correct This "bible" to which you refer - is it the same Bible in which is described acts of genocide against entire cultures in ancient times? I revere the Bible - but I use it advisedly as a guide to my everyday deeds... Your point?, why dont you explain it all instead of little bits out of context, bit like substituting violence for abuse or smacking as in fighting? Besides being irrelevant, and with respect, that's none of your business. Irrelevant, LOL, Honestly Deane, I thought you had smarts...? |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 666677 | 2008-05-08 10:33:00 | What is wrong with the law as it stands now? If you assault your kid you get arrested and if you smack them you don't. Surely there are more important things to worry about than this, all the cases I've seen were clearly for excessive violence. Strangely the Sensibull Sentencing types are for hitting kids but for long sentences for adult violent offenders. Although you'll always have the "never did me any harm" crowd, the fact is many of those violent offenders were beaten as kids. The only question for discussion really is the point at which hitting your kid becomes excessive, surely no one things you can flog them with barbed wire. | Twelvevolts (5457) | ||
| 666678 | 2008-05-08 10:37:00 | Yes couldn't agree more. I got a few belts around the legs by the old man with a leather strap. It left a few welts. Also got the strap and cane at school. :) Me too no issues here. |
vitalstatistix (9182) | ||
| 666679 | 2008-05-08 10:48:00 | Petition 1. “Should a smack as part of good parental correction be a criminal offense in NZ” Petition 2. “Should the government give urgent priority to understanding and addressing the wider causes of family breakdown, family violence and child abuse in NZ” You seem to have justified smacking in you petition 1 quote. A smack is not "good parental correction" good parental correction is done without smacking. Smacking is a shortcut, in place of "good parental correction". Have you not watched those programs like Brat Camp, or the one were that nanny comes in and sorts out unruly kids. Never once did I see anyone being smacked. People have been raising children without smacking for thousands of years... Violence begets violence. Smacking an adult is a criminal offense. Smacking a helpless (even though they may be naughty) child should be even more so! Petiton 2: Yes the government should, they've started with an anti-smacking law and now should do something about drug and alcohol abuse. |
porkster (6331) | ||
| 666680 | 2008-05-08 10:50:00 | Just look at the crime around us and the many that were not reported - tourists robbed, someone got bashed for no apparent reason, snatch thefts, no respect even when in courthouse, etc Just a couple more years and things will be out of control. All about their rights and scant mention of victims' rights, etc, I can go on and on......... Spare the rod and spoil the child. How did this statement came about..... The anti-smacking bill was passed because Labour needs Green's support and nothing else. There are more important issues that need government attention, definitely not this bill. |
Taurus (9579) | ||
| 666681 | 2008-05-08 11:06:00 | Just look at the crime around us and the many that were not reported - tourists robbed, someone got bashed for no apparent reason, snatch thefts, no respect even when in courthouse, etc Just a couple more years and things will be out of control. All about their rights and scant mention of victims' rights, etc, I can go on and on......... Spare the rod and spoil the child. How did this statement came about..... The anti-smacking bill was passed because Labour needs Green's support and nothing else. There are more important issues that need government attention, definitely not this bill. You seem to have tied "not smacking" to crime. I would think its more related to bad parenting than smacking. Violent crimes and criminals are often attributed to violent childhoods. As I said before "violence begets violence". Look back through the posts, there are a lot of people with "my dad smacked me so I think its ok to smack my kids" |
porkster (6331) | ||
| 666682 | 2008-05-08 13:02:00 | Y "violence begets violence". What a lovely little laoded quote. The trouble is it has absolutely nothing to do with the smacking debate. I wonder if you have ever studied your namesake in the wild. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 666683 | 2008-05-08 13:33:00 | Smacking children is definitely violence, no matter how it's dressed up in terms of intention, custom, or whether an invisible being called God told us we should. Human beings are violent creatures. Freedom itself was gained through conquest - violent conquest. But if it is ok to "correct" a child's behaviour using violence then why is that same defence not available for using violence against an adult? Anybody? |
Deane F (8204) | ||
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