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| Thread ID: 89631 | 2008-05-06 13:46:00 | Section 59/Antismacking Referendum | stevensaaron (6348) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 666664 | 2008-05-07 03:06:00 | Discipline of children is a societal issue. Try thinking about it for a bit. If the government saw fit to remove loci-parenti from schools who are supposedly responsible of children is the parents absence, what possible issue other than abuse can be a societal issue. I am not arguing abuse, I am arguing discipline. As far as society is concerned in my opinion, they can mind their own business. NZ's perverted stance of removing self irresponsibly, has a peculiar twist in that we are now responsible for ensuring parent don't smack their kids!? The inept politicians are pulling rules and regulations out of their asses without thinking of consequences. |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 666665 | 2008-05-07 04:54:00 | "Should a smack as part 'Good Parental Correction' be a criminal Offence in NZ?" Typical twisting of the meaning of the bill by the opposition. Why dont you ask a non leading neutral question rather than load it totally so that it makes it near impossible to vote in favour. If you don't understand the question you should not be voting at all. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 666666 | 2008-05-07 06:18:00 | We are not advocating abuse, but for the right for good parents to lovingly discipline/smack, their children. The politicians have overemphasized this by calling it "hitting" children, beating children, and many other names, these are abuse. You have to use those terms in it's context. One may say one thing and mean it in a certain way, but someone hearing it might have a different meaning for it. for example when I say the word "gay" what is usually the first thing people think of when they hear that word. It depends on the context that it is used in a sentence. it can mean "happy", or gay men. any way back to the point A smack, when used in a loving way, for the use of discipline, is not abuse. It should not be used as a retaliatory action, in an anger rage, spite, etc. it is to correct them, I know people have many different ways to discipline, and they may or may not work, every child is unique. (Just like everyone else:p). But shouldn't New Zealanders have a right to choose, remember this is supposed to be a democratic country, not a dictatorship. By SolMiester. Social issue that affect all?, dont think so, only parents and children are affected,how do prospective parents get involved, they have yet to experience parenthood! In some ways I do think it is a social issue, it does affect us all, young and old, if we don't discipline the younger generation we are going to have a generation of unruly, disobedient people. Just look around you can start to see it today, everyday in the papers and tv there is news of more and more people being murdered, suicides etc. Take for example, abolishing the caning in schools. there have been a couple in thread who been caned, possibly more than once. Yet take a look at schools know, teachers are afraid to go to school for fear of student abuse, back then it used to be the kids who don't want go. nowadays all the children, teens seem to have more protection that the adults. |
stevensaaron (6348) | ||
| 666667 | 2008-05-07 07:00:00 | With this bull**** of a law, we're just going to get more juvenile criminals. | qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 666668 | 2008-05-07 07:12:00 | Why do you call it thus Deane, are you on a wind up? What else do you call smacking other than violence? Do you mean to say that you do not consider it violence? Or does the use of the correct term for smacking simply make you uncomfortable? You apparently also have a better understanding of life than the bible... This "bible" to which you refer - is it the same Bible in which is described acts of genocide against entire cultures in ancient times? I revere the Bible - but I use it advisedly as a guide to my everyday deeds... Do you even have children? Besides being irrelevant, and with respect, that's none of your business. |
Deane F (8204) | ||
| 666669 | 2008-05-07 07:21:00 | Besides being irrelevant, and with respect, that's none of your business. May not be none of our business, but it affects our judgment if you don't. Just look at Sue Bradford - she has no children, and so knows **** all about parenting yet she *thinks* she can be a much better parent than hundreds of millions of other parents in the world by bringing this anti-smacking bill. She really needs to have a kid. But seeing as how repulsing she is, both physically (god she's friggin ugly...and I hope that ***** sees my post) and mentally, who in the right mind would want to lay her? |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 666670 | 2008-05-07 07:46:00 | May not be none of our business, but it affects our judgment if you don't. Just look at Sue Bradford - she has no children, and so knows **** all about parenting yet she *thinks* she can be a much better parent than hundreds of millions of other parents in the world by bringing this anti-smacking bill. She really needs to have a kid. But seeing as how repulsing she is, both physically (god she's friggin ugly...and I hope that ***** sees my post) and mentally, who in the right mind would want to lay her? Actually Sue Bradford does have children, Not sure if any are still at home, but at least one that i know of has committed suicide. It's Helen that has no children yet thinks she can tell us how to parent them. |
stevensaaron (6348) | ||
| 666671 | 2008-05-07 07:53:00 | but at least one that i know of has committed suicide. I'd kill myself if I was her kid. Uuuggh.... |
qazwsxokmijn (102) | ||
| 666672 | 2008-05-07 08:31:00 | I'd kill myself if I was her kid. Uuuggh.... I'd smack Sue Bradford if I was put up for disciplining a child (if I had one) |
bob_doe_nz (92) | ||
| 666673 | 2008-05-07 11:18:00 | So have any of you signed the petition? If not please download the petition click here ( . net . nz/documents/LarryBaldockPetition_May . pdf" target="_blank">unityforliberty . net . nz) (P . S . it is a PDF file, so you will need Adobe or similar to read it) we need as many signatures that can be gotten . even if you get 1 or 2 . So please download it, and print it, pass it around the office . there is also a page of information about the petitions and PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, fill in the form fully, with all the details on there, They are need for the people who count the signatures to confirm that the people signing are on the Electoral Roll, if they are not they are discounted . These information on these papers will only be used for the purpose of this petition . There seems to be some mis-information about these petitions, These petitions are for a referendum . So that these one or two questions be on the voting papers for this years election . To let the voters tell the government what the people want & let democracy work . We are serious about getting the repeal reversed, but the most important thing we are concerned about is a lot of people are angry at the government doing things against what the majority of the people of New Zealand want, and a referendum is a way to show the government this . Even if we get the number of signatures we need, doesn't necessarily mean the repeal is reversed, but it lets the voters have their say in a more official, democratic way . You don't necessarily have to agree with smacking to sign, this is to let the people tell the government want the nation wants . Thanks |
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