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Thread ID: 89609	2008-05-06 01:13:00	Is the us ready for a female president??	jgw555 (13697)	PC World Chat

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666351	2008-05-06 23:34:00	Personally, I think politicians are a bit like used car dealers, real estate agents and sales people: you don't actually want your daughter bringing one home for dinner but they do serve a purpose. And given that, I think you need to be pragmatic about them. I'd rather the US presidency was held by a pragmatic, mature politician - lies, deception and cynical manipulation included - than a naive idealist. Naive idealist Presidents make for fun Hollywood movies (Dave, etc) but not for fun reality. Barrack does not convince me. He's been making unrealistic promises about what he could achieve. Now he either knows these to be false (in which case how is he different from Hillary?) or he really is naive, in which case his presidency is going to be marred by disappointment and unfulfilled expectations.	Biggles (121)
666352	2008-05-06 23:43:00	Personally, I think politicians are a bit like used car dealers, real estate agents and sales people: you don't actually want your daughter bringing one home for dinner but they do serve a purpose. LOL So true	Bantu (52)
666353	2008-05-06 23:53:00	Personally, I think politicians are a bit like used car dealers, real estate agents and sales people: you don't actually want your daughter bringing one home for dinner but they do serve a purpose. Cynically, I think they serve their own purpose.	Marnie (4574)
666354	2008-05-07 00:08:00	Woman think with emotions, not logic Like all IT people are glasses wearing, socially inept losers who never see sunlight. The split in our thinking between "masculine" and "feminine" is probably as old as language itself. Human beings seem to have a natural tendency to divide things into pairs: good/bad, light/dark, subject/object and so on. It is not surprising, then, that the male/female or masculine/feminine dichotomy is used to classify things other than men and women. Men and women are, of course, biologically different. There are even significant differences in male and female brains; women, for example, have a thicker corpus callosum (the thing that connects the two halves of the brain). However, it is a giant leap from observing that there are neurological differences between the sexes to assuming that these differences correspond to the classic Reason/Nature or logic/emotion dichotomies. In fact, some of these differences may even indicate the opposite. The left hemisphere of the brain generally deals with linear processing, as found in language and some types of mathematics, and this hemisphere develops faster in girls than in boys. The old "11 plus" test of verbal reasoning used in British schools was actually adjusted to bring boys' scores up to the level of girls'! Since our main guide to how people think is their language, the fact that in most cultures men and women talk in different ways, and about different things, may lead us to false conclusions about the way they think in general. Women's conversation tends to emphasise feelings more, which may also mean that they think about feelings more. It does not, however, mean that woman are more emotional. It is perfectly possible that men are just as emotional, but for social reasons they talk (and think) about their feelings less. Similarly, the fact that in most cultures men argue more about abstract things does not mean that men are naturally more logical, it just means that the things men prefer to talk about require logical argument more than they require expression of feelings. Obviously the more you argue, the better you get at it, hence the prejudice that men are somehow biologically more logical. Problems also arise with the actual words we use: logic, reason, intuition and emotion. Logic is simply a set of principles for getting from something we already knew, to something we didn't. If we know that all cows eat grass, and we know that Daisy is a cow, we can use very simple logic to say that Daisy eats grass, even if we have never seen her eat anything. The more complex logic that we use in constructing philosophical arguments or designing computers is really only doing the same kind of thing. A further criticism of "male logic" extends the argument to take in the whole of science and technology, which are seen as "aggressive", "phallic" and "toys for the boys". While it is true that science and technology were at least initially male inventions (largely because at that time only men had the time and resources to do this), this does not mean that there is anything inherently masculine about a chemistry experiment or a digital watch.	pctek (84)
666355	2008-05-07 00:14:00	Like all IT people are glasses wearing, socially inept losers who never see sunlight ..... ....... A further criticism of "male logic" extends the argument to take in the whole of science and technology, which are seen as "aggressive", "phallic" and "toys for the boys". While it is true that science and technology were at least initially male inventions (largely because at that time only men had the time and resources to do this), this does not mean that there is anything inherently masculine about a chemistry experiment or a digital watch. Spanked. You go girl. I see enough bad male drivers on the road to know that men are quite capable of thinking with all manner of things besides logic ....	Biggles (121)
666356	2008-05-07 00:23:00	I agree almost totally, except for one thing . I don't really think about how I'm feeling, or what my emotions are at all, past the face value of it . And I know I'm not repressing them, because I don't work like that . But the amount of times I've fallen asleep listening to my GF orating about emotions and such, and how often I hear it from women of all shapes and sizes, tends to make me think that women ARE more emotional . But that's generalising . Not ALL women are, just most . The opposite applies, some men do think about feelings etc all the time . Myself, I couldn't really care less . I just tend to forget about them and move on . Healthier I find .	Thebananamonkey (7741)
666357	2008-05-07 00:27:00	pctek Actual thought is not allowed on internet forums. I think you need to rewrite the above to include some opinionated garbage and prejudice otherwise you might get banned. ;)	Deane F (8204)
666358	2008-05-07 00:49:00	But the amount of times I've fallen asleep listening to my GF orating about emotions and such, and how often I hear it from women of all shapes and sizes, tends to make me think that women ARE more emotional. No dude, they are merely wishing that men were more emotional, as evidenced by the fact you fall asleep when your girlfriend talks about it ...	Biggles (121)
666359	2008-05-07 00:53:00	What you experience of women depends entirely upon the type of women you associate with and most importantly the type of women who will be bothered to associate with you...	Deane F (8204)
666360	2008-05-07 01:37:00	Ahhh - so that must be how Hillary Clinton got into Yale! She thinks emotionally! :groan: I didnt say she wasnt intelligent Deane...:groan:	SolMiester (139)
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