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Thread ID: 145507	2017-11-20 05:13:00	New govt. agency	kenj (9738)	PC World Chat

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1442247	2017-11-20 22:00:00	Hindsight is easy , some years down the road. There are plenty of examples of rescue teams dying in mines. What if that 2nd explosion happened when a rescue team was in there ? Remember, its the she'll be right , ignore any safety concerns that got the men killed in the first place. They actually knew the mine was unsafe . Did we learn nothing , thats how it seems. Some seem to want to ignore real risks & send more men in, to achieve nothing . So your saying there is no point having Mine Rescue teams. Might as well not have Fire Fighters either. :rolleyes: There are risks in these job and those that do them know that before they enrol. They also know that the safest time to enter a Mine after an explosion is as soon as possible.	B.M. (505)
1442248	2017-11-21 00:00:00	I'm not offering any opinion of the feasibility/financial justification of any recovery, but it seems to me you can have at least two views: The government recognizes that the families have suffered enough and deserve to get some sort of closure. The government just wants to get the families of its back and thinks if it makes some sort of effort it will achieve that. Which you think is closer to the truth depends on your degree of cynicism, I guess.	Tony (4941)
1442249	2017-11-21 00:47:00	New agency?? Bet it requires another couple of hundred new public servants and all their managers an PAs. Little's answer to solving unemployment in Wellington.	paulw (1826)
1442250	2017-11-21 01:21:00	I really must improve my proof reading. That ought to be "off its back" - obviously.	Tony (4941)
1442251	2017-11-21 01:33:00	I still believe lives may have been saved had the Police not forbid the Mine Rescue team from entering the mine. And I believe lives were probably saved by not allowing the mine to be entered. Sadly for both of us, we're not mining experts, so our opinion really counts for nothing. However, my uncle (who was involved in drilling boreholes into Pike after the explosion) said that in his opinion there would have been no one else alive. Additionally, not all the families actually want to go back in - but it seems convenient to ignore them. So your saying there is no point having Mine Rescue teams. Might as well not have Fire Fighters either. :rolleyes: There are risks in these job and those that do them know that before they enrol. If you understood anything at all about how firefighters operate, you'd understand that they don't rush headfirst into anything - firefighter safety is paramount, they're highly trained, and they do assess risk.	Nick G (16709)
1442252	2017-11-21 01:44:00	The government recognizes that the families have suffered enough and deserve to get some sort of closure. . What the hell is closure anyway? They know they're dead. How does getting hold of remains, or whats left......germy sludge or some dusty bones help anything at all?	pctek (84)
1442253	2017-11-21 02:12:00	What the hell is closure anyway? They know they're dead . How does getting hold of remains, or whats left . . . . . . germy sludge or some dusty bones help anything at all? I sort of agree with you . I think there is little to be achieved in going in, but it is clearly very important to some people, and maybe their wishes need to be respected . My understanding of "closure" is a sense of wrapping up loose ends, knowing everything there is to know etc . Not something I'm fussed about, but I'm not in their shoes . I also suspect that for some of the families it has got to a point where they have to have something done or their own efforts will seem to have been wasted . Putting on my non-cynical hat for a moment, it has been said (can't remember by who) that the measure of a good society is how it treats its minorities - so maybe that alone is a reason for doing the entry .	Tony (4941)
1442254	2017-11-21 02:38:00	Let's be real. A bunch of wannabe parties said they would actually allow entry to the mine when National were only going to do it when it was safe. Now that the government has changed there's a lot of squirming including Andrew Little saying "only if it is safe". Out of the frying pan into the fire isn't it?	Ofthesea (14129)
1442255	2017-11-21 04:12:00	One way to check if its safe, send in remote robots with testing equipment to have a look around first. If something goes wrong and a robot gets its circuit fried, unless there's someone who has feelings or rights for a robot, there's no life lost.	wainuitech (129)
1442256	2017-11-21 04:25:00	One way to check if its safe, send in remote robots with testing equipment to have a look around first. If something goes wrong and a robot gets its circuit fried, unless there's someone who has feelings or rights for a robot, there's no life lost.I agree, robots first.	Tony (4941)
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